Elm St Pedestrian Concept
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What are your thoughts on this sketch of what Davis would look like with Elm St turned into a pedestrian-only area?

Deliveries could drive through during off peak hours. Buses would get a huge boost with the bus lane and better symmetry and turnarounds.
I'd especially like feedback on bikability. I didn't manage to fit bike lanes in anywhere, and we'd lose the door zone lane on Highland, but that'd be made up for by having a smaller slower intersection. Perhaps bikes could also share the bus lane? Would a 2-way cycletrack through the pedestrian area be too disruptive?
I'm also discussing it on twitter: https://twitter.com/skyqrose/status/ 867314846957801472

Deliveries could drive through during off peak hours. Buses would get a huge boost with the bus lane and better symmetry and turnarounds.
I'd especially like feedback on bikability. I didn't manage to fit bike lanes in anywhere, and we'd lose the door zone lane on Highland, but that'd be made up for by having a smaller slower intersection. Perhaps bikes could also share the bus lane? Would a 2-way cycletrack through the pedestrian area be too disruptive?
I'm also discussing it on twitter: https://twitter.com/skyqrose/status/
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Date: 2017-05-25 08:29 am (UTC)The Cutter & Highland intersection also changes a lot and needs a left turn cycle from Cutter to Highland if Highland stops becoming one-way at that point. Cutter (and/or Willow and/or Hancock) would need to become two-way or reverse directions to carry traffic that'd otherwise take Elm out of Davis down to Elm and Summer. Loss of traffic for businesses is potentially bad for not just the block of Elm that becomes pedestrian-only, but the next couple of blocks of Elm and Summer.
Moving busses from Elm to Highland eliminates the bus stop on Elm that's all but on the doorstep of the new grocery store (bfresh) there, which is probably unkind to their customers. Six bus routes go by there currently; not all of them would go past a stop on Elm past Grove.
Similarly, having the pubs (and restaurants serving alcohol) on Elm not being able to call taxis to their doorsteps an unpleasant adjustment at best. It's hard to be a responsible drinking establishment and see your tipsy patrons to their rides when you can't see their rides from the door.
Deliveries that need to park half a block away and move things by hand truck are a lot slower than deliveries that can park right outside the door.
Traffic in Davis is not all going to or from Davis. Ugly and slow as that intersection is, those are major roads carrying through traffic. Shoving that traffic onto Broadway or Mass Ave is not a feature. Powderhouse circle is already backed up at rush hour.
While in the abstract I like the idea of pedestrian streets, this needs a lot more detailed traffic engineering work than you've given it, in a wider scope than just the immediate vicinity of Davis Square, and input from local businesses, and possibly from the MBTA ...
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Date: 2017-05-25 04:33 pm (UTC)Cutter would be 2-way. (There's a yellow line down it, but I realize I didn't make that clear enough.)
Asymmetrical buses are less useful than they look. For the through routes, you can take the bus in one direction but not the other. For the terminal routes, going down Elm adds multiple turns and minutes to the route. And a short walk to Highland or Elm/Grove is not really an issue when you're walking through a pedestrian friendly environment instead of crossing a busy street.
For the pubs, walking to the loading zones at the ends (and maybe at Chester) will be very safe, even for drunk people. I hadn't thought about the responsibility to the pub to see them get there though. That's a good point.
MBTA would definitely be involved in this. I hope they'd find it positive with better turnarounds and a bus lane, but there's some stuff about turning radiuses and signal priority and, for the community path, use of the space near the T station, that they'd need to participate in.
As for local businesses and input, I'm imagining a formal feedback process like Inman Square and Sullivan Square are doing right now.
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Date: 2017-05-25 09:14 pm (UTC)If Highland there is two-way, people coming out of the drugstore parking lot may also try to to turn left onto it, further complicating traffic. That could be discouraged with signs, but without use of Elm, how do those folks then get turned around to go east on Highland?
And a short walk to Highland or Elm/Grove is not really an issue when you're walking through a pedestrian friendly environment instead of crossing a busy street.
The grocery store is on the same side of the street as the bus stop on Elm. If you're an unladen, able-bodied pedestrian, a block or so is not much bother. If you have a load of groceries and/or are not so able-bodied, it might be an issue. (And you do have to cross the newly-complicated Elm/Grove intersection to get to one of those possible stops; a Highland might not be so bad.) One thing I'd very much like to hear from the businesses in the area is how much traffic they see from folks dropped off and picked up at their front doors.
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Date: 2017-05-26 03:41 am (UTC)* Pulling the eastbound car stop bar back a bit and giving the buses a green a few seconds before cars would probably make that left (and right, if they need extra space for a wide right turn) easier.
* For coming out of the lot, making a left as the northbound traffic gets a green would be about as difficult as making a left at a normal 4-way light. The westbound highland stop bar would need to be pulled back.
* Going west from RiteAid could also be done by going south on Grove.
* There's enough curb/parking nearby to play with turn lanes / receiving lanes.
* Traffic coming from that lot could also be handled by closing the south exit, and making that section of Grove 2-way. You'd leave the lot by going out the north entrance, then going south on Grove to the intersection. It'd look a lot more like a normal 4-way then. (I think this is my favorite because it's so simple to understand to someone not familiar with the area.)
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Date: 2017-05-26 05:00 am (UTC)I hadn't considered pulling the westbound stop bar back. That could make the left turn out of the lot workable, with some warning to folks turning right from Grove.