ext_39660 ([identity profile] two-stabs.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] davis_square2008-09-15 11:51 am

Single issue voter

Hello,

Can someone tell me who caters least to families, children, and "no turn between 7-9 a.m." signs in the upcoming election?

Thanks!

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[personal profile] ron_newman 2008-09-15 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
What do you want less of? Fewer playgrounds, parks, and schools?

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[identity profile] richips.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously. I think that those are some of the things that make Somerville so great, and i don't even live there.

It's like the 90's

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_mattt/ 2008-09-15 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
What was the matter: peace or prosperity?

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[identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
No, just fewer breaks for breeders.

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[identity profile] jodi.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
not all people who care for children and look out for their welfare are breeders. some look out for the lives of other people's children and some have children that they did not "breed" themselves. please use language that is designed for conversation if that is what you desire here. if you really do just want to bitch about stuff, by all means go on using inflammatory and biased language.

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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_mattt/ 2008-09-15 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I had never heard to people referred to as breeders before. You are right. It is inflamatory, and inappropriate for this discussion.
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[identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
From the Urban Dictionary: Breeders (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%20BREEDERS)

I first learned it over 10 years ago in San Francisco, but I am using definition #4. I thought it was a fairly common and widely used term.

I am tired of having to deal with legislation favouring parents/children while those of us who choose not to reproduce end up being taxed for it.

When you assume...

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_mattt/ 2008-09-15 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Urban Dictionary defines your definition as derogatory, and thus inflamatory in this context. The term assumes motives and misperceives shortcomings behind those who have children.

It would be akin to me calling a woman without children "barren", or assuming that she is childless purely because no man would want her to bear his children. Neither necessarily may be the case, both are inflamatory, both make unwarranted assumptions, and both insult.

Not having children was your choice. The rest of us need not be punished for it. An educated society benefits all.

In short, this is a diverse group of people, so, respectfully, please choose your words more carefully in the future.

Wait, what?

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_mattt/ 2008-09-15 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
What kind of breaks?

And what do you mean by "breeders"?

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[personal profile] ron_newman 2008-09-15 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
What is a "break for breeder" ? I don't understand what you are referring to.

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[identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
From the Urban Dictionary: Breeders (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%20BREEDERS)

I first learned it over 10 years ago in San Francisco, but I am using definition #4. I thought it was a fairly common and widely used term.

By breaks I basically mean taxes; not just the tax cuts you get if you have children but also the fact that if legislation passes to fund something like an elementary school, people without children will have to pay as much of their taxes to fund it as people who have children...and you know, that just doesn't seem fair to me. People who drive pay for maintaining the roads (tolls, license fees, gas taxes), people who smoke or drink pay taxes on that; you don't see non-smokers or not-drinkers helping to pay the liquor and tobacco taxes, and yet, I have to vote for something that supports something I choose not to do.

*shrug* sorry. I'm just seeing the point of the OP and expanding upon it.

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[identity profile] nungnung.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, but if we all contribute to funding schools, we all benefit from having an educated society.

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[identity profile] nungnung.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Better than no school, if only because it keeps most of the kids corralled for several hours a day.

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Public schools CAN be good. Mine was. They do need public support and community engagement to be good, though. And money. Those things are harder to find in cities than in suburbs, yeah, but I don't think giving up altogether on the idea of public education is a good one. I think it's possible to improve the bad ones.

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[personal profile] ron_newman 2008-09-15 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
What do residential parking restrictions have to do with the presence or absence of children?

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[identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
So, basically, this came about because you're pissy about a ticket?

I understand the desire to thrust natural selection on the human race, but dude, seriously.

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[identity profile] sparkgrrl658.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
more natural selection.

seriously, do kids parents really not teach them to look before crossing the street and to, uh, NOT play in traffic anymore?

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[identity profile] badseed1980.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I look before I cross the street, and I've nearly gotten run over by assholes yakking on their cell phones while they drive because they didn't bother look to see that someone was in the middle of the uncontrolled crosswalk, so they don't slow down to stop like they're supposed to do (at least, according to those signs in the middle of the crosswalk).

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[identity profile] pekmez.livejournal.com 2008-09-17 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Every street I've ever seen like that has been an obvious "shortcut" street that they'd like to do a little traffic calming on during rush hour. For all pedestrians, residents of the street, etc. The kids are mostly at school well before 9am.

The only traffic calming I've ever seen around schools are flashing reduced speed limit signs, anyway.

I'm sure your ticket wasn't valid if it says 9:10 and the regulation was in effect from 7-9am, but I doubt children were the reason the sign was put in place, in any case.