ext_273796 ([identity profile] heliopsis.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] davis_square2006-07-29 10:04 am
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The Somerville Esplanade

I love the bike path, particularly the bit from Davis Square to Cedar Street. I walk from Willow to Davis several times a week on that path, and I love its green, quiet stretch through the bustling city. I have often thought, wouldn't it be great to have a café or a restaurant on the path, someplace with tables out on a patio opening onto the path. It would be the only place in metro Boston where you could have streetside service without having to compete with noise and fumes from cars and buses. It would be, dare I say it, positively Parisian, and I bet people would flock to it.

Well, the Carli Fence property is for sale, a long, thin stretch of land on the north side of the bike path, extending from Willow towards Davis Square almost to the artists' lofts. It's currently an industrial mess, all paved, a long, brick warehouse with its back to the bike path, and lots of chain link fence (after all, it was Carli Fence!) From Google Maps, it looks like the property is T-shaped, with the top of the T along the bike path and the leg of the T ending at Morrison Avenue.

I would love to see this property redeveloped as a cafe or restaurant which opens out onto the bike path, creating a destination on the path. It could have parking on the Morrison Avenue side. The north side of the path is residential, so I suppose there will be noise concerns, but with smart design that could be handled.

What I really don't want to see there is more luxury condos with a parking lot up against the bike path; or the brick back of a minimall. I'd like to see a development that takes the bike path seriously as a way to get around the city, and that celebrates the quiet, green space in the midst of a noisy, crowded city.
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[personal profile] larksdream 2006-07-29 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a good post. Have you considered sending it to a paper or three?

[identity profile] artic-monkeys.livejournal.com 2006-07-29 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
How much is it? Do you have a link to the listing?

2,000,000

[identity profile] spettacolo.livejournal.com 2006-07-29 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Here's the listing:
http://www.bremis.com/irw/details.php?lid=611674&cid=17339&aid=110253&oid=17339&ctry=US

It's only $2,000,000

Re: 2,000,000

[identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com) 2006-07-29 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
So, a leeeetle much for the resurrected Someday Cafe.

Re: 2,000,000

[identity profile] turil.livejournal.com 2006-07-29 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
On it's own, yeah, that's too much, but that property is big enough for several complimentary businesses. Imagine a Yoga studio, the Someday Cafe, an art gallery, a small housewhere/kitchen supply shop, and maybe a dog sitting/grooming place... Not done in the style of a strip mall, but something funky that worked with the wharehouse building in a creative way.

[identity profile] ukelele.livejournal.com 2006-07-29 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm torn between thinking that would be a really wonderful place to spend time, and it would make the bike path an even worse way to get around than it already is (pedestrians so seldom pay attention to their surroundings or stay in the correct lane on that segment of path that it's already a pretty frustrating place to bike). I guess it depends on how much setback there would be, and how much the cafe encouraged awareness and rule-following.

[identity profile] ah42.livejournal.com 2006-07-29 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, exactly what I was thinking. There'd need to be enough screening or seperation so it doesn't take away from the quietness of the path.

[identity profile] ocschwar.livejournal.com 2006-07-30 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
Some trees and outdoor potted plants would take care of it.

[identity profile] ukelele.livejournal.com 2006-07-29 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think of it as a way to get around quickly either (it is, after all, manifestly unsafe to do so). But you said yourself that this development would "take the bike path seriously as a way to get around the city", and I don't think you can have it both ways. Something that's a serious way of getting around the city cannot also be leisurely, difficult to navigate, and unsafe at actual getting-around-the-city speeds. A good way of getting around the city has free-flowing traffic and commonly agreed-upon rules to facilitate the free flow of traffic (regardless of mode of transportation). You could frame this development as, say, "taking the bike path seriously as a community leisure resource," and that would be much more believable.

I still think it would probably impair *my* enjoyment of the bike path even as a leisure resource, which is why I chose the word "frustrating" (rather than, eg, "slow") in my initial comment; to me, the path is already basically not fun and a place I usually stay away from because of the amount of extra alertness I have to expend on the bike path to stay safe and to avoid unpredictable, lawless, and constantly shifting pedestrians and dogs, and my annoyance that many people seem incapable of taking responsibility for themselves/staying on the right side of the path/keeping dogs on short leashes/watching toddlers closely. Something that draws more people to the space, and encourages them to congregate, would probably make the path a completely hideous experience for me as a cyclist. I would probably appreciate it as a walker, and I can see significantly more casual cyclists than I appreciating it, so I'm not saying this is a terrible plan or anything (it could be quite nice :). It's just not consonant with a goal of converting the path into a better way of getting around the city.

MURP murp murp.

[identity profile] turil.livejournal.com 2006-07-31 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Legally the Somerville paths are not "bike paths" since that term applies to roads that are legally open to bicycle traffic only. As far as I know, the only actual bike paths in the Boston area are the short, horribly designed sidepaths near Fresh Pond, near 2 block paths neat MIT's Stata Center on Vassar Street, and along the Orange line linear park near Mission Hill. In these cases, the paths are marked for bicycles exclusively, while there are adjacent sidewalks or pedestrian paths.

The roadways we often call "bike paths" like the Minuteman and the Somerville Linear Park are legally termed "multi-use recreational paths", or MURPs in the industry acronymic slang. They are not really designed for convenience of travel, and the legal speed limits are often quite low (15 mph on many paths).

The promotion of MURPs as "bike paths" or even worse as "commuter paths" is really misleading and creates tension between the people using the paths as recreational facilies and the people who want to use them as "bike superhighways".

Oh, and just for the record, the path that exists now around Davis Square is not actually called the "Community Path". The name "Community Path" is the working title of the project that will connect the existing "Linnear Park" to the Lechmere area and maybe the Paul Dudley White path. Hopefully, someday these paths will get more distinctive and/or creative names...

Re: MURP murp murp.

[identity profile] yangelina.livejournal.com 2006-07-31 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not really clear on this - why would they call it the Minuteman Bikeway if it is a MURP? Doesn't its official name make it legally a 'Bikeway'?
I don't feel that the Minuteman has been 'promoted' as a bike path. For me, its name tells me that it's a bike path. I understand that it's also a MURP, but wasn't the original reason for building the Minuteman was for it to be a bike superhighway? I guess I'm wondering where it (or who) says that these paths are legally termed as MURPs, and why would that be if they've already name it a Bikeway.
I'd really like to understand this, specifically regarding the Minuteman, because I totally agree with you that there is tension between the 'bike path' users and the 'community path' users.
Also, I think there's a difference between a bike path and a bike lane. I use a bike path as a MURP and follow the rules (share the path, etc) and I use a bike lane as if I were a vehicle (bicycle traffic only). Where does it legally say that a 'bike path' is for bicycle traffic only? Is my understanding of 'bike path' vs. 'bike lane' incorrect?

Re: MURP murp murp.

[identity profile] turil.livejournal.com 2006-07-31 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the Minuteman Commuter Bikeway is called that probably because the bicyclists who worked so hard to get it built wanted to encourage bicyclists to use it to commute, so they used "bike" in the name. But a bikeway is not legally a bike path. The distinction is verbally subtle, but legally vast.

And by "promoting" the Minuteman Bikeway as a bike path, I completely include the misleading name itself. Using the term "bike" at all is confusing in this case, as it makes it sound like bikes are supposed to have the ultimate right of way, but this is not legally true - the reality is that pedestrians have the ultimate right of way.

The legality of these things is determined by a number of different entities, most involving government funding, with others involving legal issues such as access and maintenance. I'm not absolutely sure about the Minuteman, because it was a somewhat pioneering, and unusual type of facility, but the vast majority of non-motorvehicle paths are funded and regulated under recreational (not transportational) departments of the federal, state, and local government, which is why they often suck for serious bicycle travel by their very design (including bicyclists being legally required to stop at all intersections, the path being closed after dusk, and low speed limits).

And you are absolutely right that there is a difference between a bike path and a bike lane. A bike lane is a travel lane in the vehicular roadway that is exclusively for bikes. A bike path is a seperate road unto itself (seperated from other paths and roads by physical barriers like curbs, landscaping, railings, and so on).

It is very confusing, isn't it! Traffic engineers and planners as well as lawyers and legislators all have a language unto themselves...

By the way, all these legal definitions are available in the Massachusetts State Laws (http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/90e-1.htm), and also often in professional highway (meaning "roadway", not just "limited access superhighway") design organizations such as AASHTO.

Re: MURP murp murp.

[personal profile] ron_newman 2006-08-01 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
Community Path is in fact the official name of the path from the Brooks Pharmacy parking lot to its current endpoint at Cedar Street. As it is extended further east, the Community Path will grow.

Re: MURP murp murp.

[identity profile] turil.livejournal.com 2006-08-01 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
Really? I had no idea! Who named it?

[identity profile] chenoameg.livejournal.com 2006-07-30 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
That stretch of the bike path is already almost unbikeable and very short. It's in the same stretch as the community gardens, for example. So I don't think more things opening on to it would make much difference.

[identity profile] ocschwar.livejournal.com 2006-07-30 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
That stretch of the path isn't as important for travel, as it is on the wrong side of the Davis T station.

[personal profile] ron_newman 2006-07-30 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
In the near future the bike path should be extended to Central Street, and in the long term it's going to be extended to Lechmere and Boston, alongside the extended Green Line. So while it isn't that "important for travel" right now, someday it will be.

[identity profile] ukelele.livejournal.com 2006-07-30 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
I don't get it. Surely some people live on the "wrong side" of Davis? I mean, the path still goes from point A to point B, and some people live near point B, right?

[identity profile] abilouise.livejournal.com 2006-07-30 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I live on the "wrong side" of davis and use the path with my bike as the shortest way to get to the T all the time. Technically, most of the city lives on this side, though only a few are lucky enough to live conveniently close to the path to make it worth using, which it is at many times of day when it is mostly empty with maybe only 1-2 dogs on it and a handful of pedestrians, most of whom respond to bike bells, etc. I think that if a commercial strip on it were set far enough back, with seating or whatever, maybe it would reduce the number of people milling around smack in the middle of the path? A girl can dream anyhow...

[identity profile] ah42.livejournal.com 2006-07-29 03:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh god.

How quickly can you draft up a buisiness plan? Do it.

I've been doing landscaping for 3 years, so of course, all I can think about is how to make it pretty... tear down the fence, kill the invasive plants, lots of colour, some winter texture, etc etc....

But that would totally rock.

[identity profile] turil.livejournal.com 2006-07-29 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Clap clap clap!

Brilliant! I've always promoted the idea that the Linear Path or Multi-Use Path (it's not technically a bike path, since it's open to all recreational human powered transportation users) needs to be treated just like any other street, and have destinations on it.

There is already a small sitting area where you can get snacks and icecream up in the Arlington section of the Minuteman path. It's always very crowded there in the summertime.

Seriously, you should share this idea with as many people as possible in the city, or figure out a way to do it yourself, if you can. This is an idea that really should happen.

[personal profile] ron_newman 2006-07-31 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
If the "ice cream place" is the one I think it is, it's also a used bicycle sales and repair shop.

[identity profile] ah42.livejournal.com 2006-07-29 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm stealing adopting this idea. E-mail me if you really want to help, or know someone who can.

I hope I know enough people to pull it off.

[identity profile] artic-monkeys.livejournal.com 2006-07-30 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
"It was a good thing that Jaime Lerner had grown up loving the mix of people in Curitiba. Because through a chain of political flukes, Lerner found himself the mayor of Curitiba at the age of 33. All of a sudden, his friends and colleagues were pulling their plans out of the cupboards. All of a sudden, they were going to get their chance to remake Curitiba-not for cars, but for people."


And so the story of Curitiba begins (http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1108-33.htm)

[identity profile] artic-monkeys.livejournal.com 2006-07-30 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
"Lerner insisted instead that it should become a pedestrian mall, an emblem of his drive for a human-scale city. "I knew we'd have a big fight," he says. "I had no way to convince the store-owners a pedestrian mall would be good for them, because there was no other pedestrian mall in Brazil. But I knew if they had a chance to actually see it, everyone would love it."

[identity profile] elements.livejournal.com 2006-07-30 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, that would be so fantastic if it happens. And it'd be right on my daily walk route, too.

Count me in as a supporter.

[personal profile] ron_newman 2006-07-30 01:18 pm (UTC)(link)
This discussion should also occur for the much larger KSS (MaxPac) development that will occur in the triangle between the railroad tracks, the abandoned freight spur (future bike path extension), Clyde Street, and the Lowell Street bridge.

The current proposal for this land is entirely residential. A cafe, adjoining the bike path extension, would greatly improve its value to the surrounding neighborhood.