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H1N1 Vaccination Meeting in Somerville Held by CDC
I don't think I have seen anything here about this so I thought I post this. Earlier today I received an email from MASS LPA regarding CDC holding a strategy planning meeting regarding the possibility of mandatory mass vaccination program. The meeting is only for Somerville residents and it looks like MASS LPA is looking to organize a protest.
Nevertheless I thought I'd post this as something of interest, or if someone wants to register to attend.
Full email with details
Hello,
I am writing to you today regarding a very serious matter. It has come to our attention that the CDC will be holding an event in Somerville this Saturday to gauge the publics’ willingness to participate in government mandated vaccination orders. Our researchers have uncovered numerous inconsistencies constitutional issues with what is being proposed. Although we have launched a successful vaccine awareness campaign that is resonating with the people we are reaching out to, we still need additional information. That’s where you come in.
The CDC event scheduled for this Saturday is set up so that only residents of Somerville may attend. We think this issue is of concern to everyone! Therefore, we have arranged for concerned citizens to be outside the event voicing their opinion. Additionally, we have a couple of people registered to get in, but we need more. My records show that you’re a resident of Somerville as well and as such, we were hoping you might be as concerned as we are and willing to sign up for this very peculiar event. The CDC is actually paying residents $50 to attend. Reports gathered from attended CDC events so far are frightening to say the least. Our goal, with your help, is to simply gather more information about the proposed mandatory vaccination plan. Here’s a little of what we know so far.
· Baxter was recently caught sending live Avian Flu virus to 18 countries without punitive action and then awarded a contract to provide flu vaccines.
· Minimal testing has already noted severe neurological disorders in vaccine recipients.
· Newly proposed legislation threatens mandatory vaccines and warrantless searches / seizures.
· A patent application by Baxter for a Swine Flu vaccine (H1N1) was filed on 8-28-07, a full two years prior to the arrival of the actual virus.
CDC event in Somerville: http://www.masslpa.org/content/cdc-strategy-session-h1n1-somerville-masslpa-protest
Vaccine Awareness Campaign: http://www.masslpa.org/content/neighborhood-outreach-vaccine-awareness-campaign-novac
In conclusion, I hope you are at least interested enough to look in to this issue further, for you own benefit, but moreover, we hope you might be willing to help us by attending this exclusive event and share what transpires. Thank you for your time and attention to this very important matter. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions or concerns.
In Liberty,
Dave Kopacz
Vice President
www.masslpa.org
The Price of Liberty is Eternal Vigilance!
Nevertheless I thought I'd post this as something of interest, or if someone wants to register to attend.
Full email with details
Hello,
I am writing to you today regarding a very serious matter. It has come to our attention that the CDC will be holding an event in Somerville this Saturday to gauge the publics’ willingness to participate in government mandated vaccination orders. Our researchers have uncovered numerous inconsistencies constitutional issues with what is being proposed. Although we have launched a successful vaccine awareness campaign that is resonating with the people we are reaching out to, we still need additional information. That’s where you come in.
The CDC event scheduled for this Saturday is set up so that only residents of Somerville may attend. We think this issue is of concern to everyone! Therefore, we have arranged for concerned citizens to be outside the event voicing their opinion. Additionally, we have a couple of people registered to get in, but we need more. My records show that you’re a resident of Somerville as well and as such, we were hoping you might be as concerned as we are and willing to sign up for this very peculiar event. The CDC is actually paying residents $50 to attend. Reports gathered from attended CDC events so far are frightening to say the least. Our goal, with your help, is to simply gather more information about the proposed mandatory vaccination plan. Here’s a little of what we know so far.
· Baxter was recently caught sending live Avian Flu virus to 18 countries without punitive action and then awarded a contract to provide flu vaccines.
· Minimal testing has already noted severe neurological disorders in vaccine recipients.
· Newly proposed legislation threatens mandatory vaccines and warrantless searches / seizures.
· A patent application by Baxter for a Swine Flu vaccine (H1N1) was filed on 8-28-07, a full two years prior to the arrival of the actual virus.
CDC event in Somerville: http://www.masslpa.org/content/cdc-strategy-session-h1n1-somerville-masslpa-protest
Vaccine Awareness Campaign: http://www.masslpa.org/content/neighborhood-outreach-vaccine-awareness-campaign-novac
In conclusion, I hope you are at least interested enough to look in to this issue further, for you own benefit, but moreover, we hope you might be willing to help us by attending this exclusive event and share what transpires. Thank you for your time and attention to this very important matter. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions or concerns.
In Liberty,
Dave Kopacz
Vice President
www.masslpa.org
The Price of Liberty is Eternal Vigilance!
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If the meeting you are referring to is this one on Saturday 8/29 at the Armory, I don't see any reference to "mandatory" vaccination. Just 'mass" vaccination, which isn't the same thing. In fact, it even says:
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Mass LPA is liberterian leaning movement (not a party). I agree it's a little bit alarmist.
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You know, just how it happened the last time we had a swine flu pandemic in 1976...
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/27/science/sci-swine-history27
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During a typical year in the United States, 30,000 to 50,000 persons die of flu. The problem in 1976 you are referring to is Guillain-Barré Syndrome. There were about 500 cases of flu vaccine related Guillain-Barré Syndrome in 1976, only 25 of which resulted in death.
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Influenza scientists are haunted by the pandemic of 1918. They were very afraid that the swine flu they'd just learned about would potentially be another pandemic of equal badness, and they gave the best advice they had at the time. The fact that it turned out to be wrong is a factor of limited data and limited knowledge. Largely due to limited funding of public health.
Current knowledge is better. It is not "good", merely better. (For one thing, funding is not even vaguely 'better', it is in fact markedly worse). And we're still haunted by 1918; if we have another pandemic of that size, vast swathes of infrastructure *worldwide* will simply *stop*. And we *don't know* whether it will happen or not. The fact that it *could* happen is what's driving a lot of decision-making. Because after the pandemic starts, it is overlate to start programs like this; the proverbial cat is out of the bag.
In public health, believe me, there is no shadowy "government" out to get you. There are a bunch of fractious practitioners, many of who trust the government about as much as you (although for different reasons, possibly), but who are more afraid of the pandemic flu, and who *know* that the only group with the funding and the clout to prevent another pandemic is the government.
(And I know this at least in part because I am one of the fractious practitioners, having just finished my
indoctrinationtraining at BU and received my MPH. We argue about whether it's necessary too, but the general consensus is that vaccination is the lesser evil by far than the strategy of hoping it won't happen).As for the implication that we in public health (or government) would like to see "more people die"-I will leave that there with the contempt it deserves, except to point out that your strategy lets a whole lot more people die than mine.
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I, too, am stunned that MassLPA has exaggerated the mandatoriness of the vaccinations just a smidge. They wouldn't do that on purpose, would they? Must be an editing error. No thinking organization interested in giving people real choices based on accurate data would do a thing like that.
Would they?
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I'm wondering if, in your doctoriness, you can find more detailed info about the preliminary trial data than I can. All I can find is news reports that say the results indicate that the vaccine is safe, but that doesn't seem like the level of detail needed to fight a claim that "minimal testing has already noted severe neurological disorders in vaccine recipients". I mean, I'm quite sure it's safe, but I'm not the sort of person who makes claims like that without providing references.
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Observers may note that I, a member of both the Public Health Conspiracy and the Health Care Conspiracy, am in a high priority group for vaccination, and I will be in the front of the line to get vaccinated when they start doing so.
Of course, since I'm part of the cabal, I will cleverly arrange to receive a placebo, while the rest of you get the Mind Control Virus™
Muahahahaha!
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no matter where you go...
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Edit: Gah, sorry, no. That was an inappropriate response for me to make in a public forum. I apologize.
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I think Libertarians (like myself) are afraid of a mandatory vaccination especially if the government is in cahoots on it with a company that has not proven to be honest or if there is evidence that the vaccine may be harmful.
I don't think even you can deny that that big pharma involvment with massive goverment program with a sprinkle of public fear is scary notion - and that's why libertarians are on edge.
On the other hand, it seems that such a program looks to be voluntary (or is presented that way), and thus MassLPA approach is alarmist and perhaps even dishonest.
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But misrepresenting a voluntary program as mandatory goes well over the line of concern into scare tactics seemingly designed to *mis*-inform. An odd thing for a libertarian group to do.
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There are other parts of the MassLPA letter which are certainly dishonest and border on being outright falsehood, specifically the part about neurological disorders. The reference here is to Guillain-Barré - which has nothing at all to do with the H1N1 vaccine. It is triggered in susceptible persons by immune response, ANY immune response, including the sort of immune respones one has when one is actually sick, rather than the engineered immune response which is the intention of every vaccine. The assertion that they seem to be making is along the lines of the people claiming that there is a "controversy" over Gardasil (the HPV vaccine) because of the eighteen reported deaths in the study, which demonstrably and provably had absolutely nothing at all to do with the vaccine, but which MUST be reported.
As for the assertion that some shadowy pharmaceutical conspiracy is at work, here, well... You're clearly beginning your reasoning from a set of predicates I don't share. Arguing about that would not be particularly constructive.
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They also said that the most severely affected population is 5-18. Anyone else have data on that? I'll be working in pediatrics in September and October, which is said to be the worst time for exposure.
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As for what to call the movement, I prefer to call them "Pro-Diseasers".
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Bucking the Herd: Parents who refuse vaccination for their children may be putting entire communities at risk
It's about a whooping cough epidemic in Boulder, Colorado (a community with some cultural and political similarity to Somerville), where too many people decided not to vaccinate.
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swine flu was great! and now i don't need no damned vaccination!
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Also, I thought it was probably BS, given the rest of the letter.
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There was a similar thread on the Somerville Moms list, complete with inflammatory nonsense and hysteria. Myself, I'd much rather go and listen to what the CDC has to say and offer them my feedback than march around outside with signs. They picked Somerville as one of only 10 cities in the US to have this sort of community meeting because of our staggering diversity.
I've got my own ideas -- I'm PRO vaccine, just so you know -- but if anyone has some ideas and opinions and can't make it, please feel free to email them to me at genevramcneil AT gmail DOT com.
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My strategy.
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