http://barry-rafkind.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] barry-rafkind.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] davis_square2009-08-26 06:37 pm
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Fund This Story : Somerville Parking Tickets

Dear fellow car drivers friends and neighbors,

The City is counting on you to park longer than 48 hours in one place, to not remember which day is street cleaning on your side, and to forget to give your out-of-town friends and relatives visitor passes instantly when they arrive at your place. I know what you're thinking, that the City wants its residents, workers, and visitors to abide by the laws, not break them.

Alas, the FY2010 municipal budget (pdf) has already been written with the expectation of approx $8.7 million from parking fines (up $1.5 million from last year) plus change in surcharges, towing fees, and moving violations. So, unless you want the city to face cut-backs in police, fire, and education, you'd better start parking within 20 feet of an intersection and leaving your car on the street during your week-long vacation. The City has even adjusted its parking policies to help facilitate this new revenue increase.

But seriously, if the City is going to rely on this regressive form of taxation, shouldn't we at least expect the burden to fall somewhat equitably around the city? And how does Somerville compare to surrounding communities in terms of its parking enforcement policies? If you'd like to help us find out the answers to these and other parking related questions, then please consider pledging what you can to our new $500 fund-raiser to hire an investigative journalist. To join our campaign or leave a comment, please head on over to the Somerville Voices blog and thanks!

Sincerely,
Barry Rafkind

[identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
Two questions:

1) Are you aware that some of your links are broken?

2) Can you explain, clearly, in detail, and without hyperbole or linking to your own site how this is supposed to be a regressive tax?

You see, in a regressive tax, the poor pay a larger share of the burden. So a cigarette tax, which is an actual tax, could be seen as a regressive tax because the poor smoke more. Parking tickets would seem to shift the burden onto people who drive, who seem to me to range across all classes around here.

Perhaps the OP means that...

[identity profile] nvidia99999.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Given that the fine is the same regardless of income, then it is regressive because people with lower income end up paying more (proportionally). Wouldn't this make it regressive?

Re: Perhaps the OP means that...

[identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
Not really. A regressive tax is where the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases.

It's true that a parking ticket would ding somebody who make $20k a lot more than somebody who makes $40k, but I want to see a full breakdown of who in what class drives. There's also the little matter of how this isn't a tax. If this were about the excise tax, I could see it being called regressive. This is about parking tickets, which can be avoided. The city is not going to come after you for abiding by the laws it passes.

Re: Perhaps the OP means that...

[identity profile] cowsandmilk.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)
please explain how I can legally avoid sales tax without driving to another state (which often costs more than the sales tax).

And don't say something unrealistic like "live completely self-sufficiently", because that's silly as opposed to not getting parking tickets, which is pretty damn easy.

Re: Perhaps the OP means that...

[identity profile] jimmyfergus.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 12:08 pm (UTC)(link)
> A regressive tax is where the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases.

By your definition, there are almost no regressive taxes. I believe the most common usage is as others have pointed out - regressive with respect to ability to pay.

Sales tax is commonly described as regressive, and yet we all pay the same amount on a given item. It's regressive because it hits the necessities we all buy, putting a proportionately higher burden on the low income.

Re: Perhaps the OP means that...

[identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
By your definition, there are almost no regressive taxes.

That's not MY definition. That's an economic textbook's definition. That's what a regressive tax IS.

And, yes, there aren't that many regressive taxes. For obvious reasons, intentionally regressive taxes aren't terribly popular or viewed as effective methods of revenue collection. Any taxes that are regressive tend to be de facto regressive, like the cigarette tax (it dings everybody the same, but the further down the brackets you go, the more smokers you find).

[identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
Parking tickets are regressive because the ones who end up receiving and paying for more tickets are those who can not afford off-street parking.

You see, my first response to this is to ask how much off-street parking is actually available for sale in the first place. Somerville just doesn't have that much parking, public or private.

It is probably also the case that cars are more prevalent with families that can not afford to have one parent stay home with the kids, so that both parents must work, and at least one car is necessary to drive to a job and bring kids to day care.

Right, you see, it's that "probably" that annoys me. We don't know this, do we?

Another point is that blue collar workers often do not have the types of jobs that would allow them to take off time to attend a parking hearing to contest their tickets.

And this brings us right back around to the question of how many blue-collar workers actually drive in Somerville.

The reason I'm busting your chops on this is that it seems fairly clear to me that neither the city nor the opponents of the parking legislation are really clear on who's going to take the hit. That's something I'd like to know, before I throw any support behind one side or another.

[identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
No, actually, I won't, because it is abundantly clear to me that you are biased and will disregard any data you don't like. You've already made your decision.

[identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
You see, if there was any guarantee that you were actually going to release an unbiased analysis, I might be interested.

But I've seen nothing that indicates it will be. You've already made your decision.

You don't like parking tickets. OK. I can respect that. What I can't respect is what seems to be an insistence that because you don't like parking tickets, they are somehow an evil plot by the city of Somerville to bilk drivers of money. Not so likely.

It seems to me that $500 would not be enough...

[identity profile] nvidia99999.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd burn through that in less than 3 hours, at least in my line of work. How much do investigate reporters cost?...

Re: It seems to me that $500 would not be enough...

[identity profile] nvidia99999.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I think your best bet would be to find a local reporter who's interested in the topic and would do it near pro bono, for the fun of it.

[identity profile] pearlythebunny.livejournal.com 2009-08-27 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
In my experience in Somerville, wealthier families tend to have two (or more) cars. Poorer families tend to have one (or fewer) cars. Therefore, it seems to me that wealthier people would get more tickets since they have more cars.

Wealthier people seem to care care less about getting tickets, too. Poorer people that I know tend to work harder to avoid getting tickets.
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[personal profile] cos 2009-08-27 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Wealthier people seem to care care less about getting tickets, too. Poorer people that I know tend to work harder to avoid getting tickets.

That right there is very good evidence that it is regressive. A tax that is neutral on the regressive/progressive continuum would be one that would concern wealthy and poorer people at about the same level.