http://dominic-santos.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] dominic-santos.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] davis_square2006-12-13 07:03 pm
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Somerville Legislators Sued for Violating Constitutional Duty

Representatives Denise Provost, Carl Sciortino, and Tim Toomey, and Senators Jarrett Barrios and Pat Jehlen were sued today in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts "for violating the constitutional rights of Massachusetts citizens by intentionally refusing to vote on a citizen initiative amendment on the definition of marriage," according to a press release issued by Vote on Marriage, the initiative petition campaign seeking to define marriage in Massachusetts as the union between a man and a woman.
 

The Vote on Marriage press release is available here.

A PDF of the Complaint is available
here.

Selected initiative petitions that would have never been voted on if past State Legislatures disregarded their Constitutional duty like our fine legislators from Somerville:

1938 - Initiative to provide free public taxicab stands in cities and towns.
1950 - Initiative to establish the Massachusetts State Lottery.
1976 - Initiative to
prohibit to possession, ownership, or sale of any weapon from which a shot or bullet can be discharged and which has a barrel length of less than 16 inches.
1976 - Initiative to require every beverage container to have a refund value of $.05 and to ban containers with flip-tops.
1980 - Initiative to limit local property taxes (a.k.a. Proposition 2 1/2).
spatch: (Barth Gimble facepalms)

[personal profile] spatch 2006-12-13 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh for Pete's sake.

[identity profile] xuth.livejournal.com 2006-12-13 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
While I certainly don't support this specific organization, it is not uncommon for a state legislature to be sued or held in contempt for not performing duties or passing laws that the constitution (state or federal) require. A rather common theme in this type of case is creating a school funding law that passes constitutional muster. While it's not uncommon for the courts to find against the legislature and often finding the legislature in contempt of the court, the court typically has very little power to enforce this other than opening the state up for further lawsuits.

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[identity profile] liamstliam.livejournal.com 2006-12-13 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
You mean I have to support Mr, Fluffernutter on something?

Well, just because he's with "us," doesn't mean I don't think he's a bobo-head.

[identity profile] agnosticoracle.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
The anti-love folks are getting pretty desperate if this kind of silly lawsuit is what they are trying.

[identity profile] two-stabs.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Anti-love, that's funny.

[identity profile] agnosticoracle.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
I use to call them the pro-hate people but I don't think it is as accurate. It isn't that they support hate so much as they oppose love when the people feeling it have the same genitalia.

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[identity profile] csbermack.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Isn't this jumping the gun? I thought they had just adjourned to a later date. While everyone might conclude that they did so to avoid voting, IIRC, they haven't yet avoided voting.

The law is all about technicalities.

[personal profile] ron_newman 2006-12-14 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, I believe this suit cannot be acted on before January 2, for the reason you give. And I do not see any basis for federal-court (as opposed to state-court) action here.

[identity profile] inthatoneway.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
The constitution says they must take final action on the proposal at some point. It also says that the initiative must get 1/4 approval in two consecutive years to get on the ballot. Technically, if the legislature takes this up again next year and says, "Didn't get approval two years in a row (there being no vote this year), inititive fails", then I think they have met their duty. Technically.

That deadline is the reason for the lawsuit now.

[identity profile] two-stabs.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
What might happen if found guilty?

[identity profile] i-custard.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
"Selected initiative petitions that would have never been voted on if past State Legislatures disregarded their Constitutional duty like our fine legislators from Somerville:

1938 - Initiative to provide free public taxicab stands in cities and towns.
1950 - Initiative to establish the Massachusetts State Lottery.
1976 - Initiative to prohibit to possession, ownership, or sale of any weapon from which a shot or bullet can be discharged and which has a barrel length of less than 16 inches.
1976 - Initiative to require every beverage container to have a refund value of $.05 and to ban containers with flip-tops.
1980 - Initiative to limit local property taxes (a.k.a. Proposition 2 1/2)."

It is terribly insulting that you compare a ballot initiative that would put a civil right for a minority in the hands of the majority on the same level as free taxicab stands and the refund value of beverage containers.

[identity profile] komos.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
...and were it left to popular vote, the Civil Rights Movement would have died on the vine.

[personal profile] ron_newman 2006-12-14 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
Were any of the initiatives that you listed above Constitutional amendments?

Statutory initiatives have an entirely different process that does not involve a vote of the Legislature at all in order to get on the ballot.

[personal profile] ron_newman 2006-12-14 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
If a nut group proposed an amendment to prohibit black people from marrying in Massachusetts, and somehow managed to get sufficient signatures, would you oppose having the legislature adjourn in order to block the proposal?

[personal profile] ron_newman 2006-12-14 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not entirely comfortable with the Legislature's action (or in this case, inaction) but I also don't see any merit whatsoever in the federal lawsuit. And I do think all six of the Somerville legislators are acting in what they see as the best interest of their constituencies. The people of Somerville have consistently supported gay marriage.

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[personal profile] cos 2006-12-14 05:47 am (UTC)(link)
Note that in this case they haven't met all the requirements. At least two procedural flaws occurred before the legislature got this petition:

1. Despite unquestionable evidence of massive fraud in the signature gathering, all signatures were certified without an investigation. We have no idea how many valid signatures there really were, but we do know that very large numbers of fraudulent signatures were certified.

2. Despite a constitutional prohibition against using the initiative petition route for amendments whose main purpose is to counter a court decision, Attorney General Riley declared that this one was okay and let it go forward.

If the legislature fails to vote on it, that will be the third, and least serious, of the three procedural violations.

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[personal profile] cos 2006-12-14 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
Why single out Somerville's legislators? The lawsuit names a majority of the legislature (fairly obvious, because if it weren't a majority, they couldn't have done what they're being sued for in the first place).

[identity profile] komos.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess backdoor relevance. Without the specific link to Somerville legislators, the post only very loosely meets the community rule that posts have something to do with Davis and environs.

[identity profile] hammercock.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd like to vote on whether Republicans and Christians can get married. Where's my constitutional amendment?
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[personal profile] cos 2006-12-14 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Start the signature drive!

Heck, if you use fraud as extensively as these people did, you might actually get enough signatures. Too bad Tom Riley will no longer be in place to certify all those fraudulent signatures without investigating :/

[identity profile] artic-monkeys.livejournal.com 2006-12-14 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes and if you pay for the signatures (astroturfing) you don't need a real grassroots, democratic method to push your agenda.