Constant Plane Noise This Morning

[amy-s1.livejournal.com]

Let me say this first before you call me a whiner - watch the planes on this map for this morning of Friday 12/11: http://www4.passur.com/bos.html

You can replay any point in time with the menu bar at the top, you can even speed it up to 10X. Or you can watch "live" with a 10 minute delay.

Now, if those green planes dont go right over where you live, dont call the rest of us whiners. If they do go right over you, you know what I am talking about. My 5 month old daughter is constantly woken up by these planes and they can rattle the house.

Watch the flow of the planes coming off of runway 33L (the long one that points straight at Chelsea). The vast majority of them bank left and come straight over Davis Square almost every time. How about a little distribution over Harvard Sq, West Cambridge, etc?? Not to mention winds this morning are from the W/SW, not the Northwest.

Now, lets log complaints here: http://www.massport.com/logan/airpo_noise_compl.html

Comments

[zenala.livejournal.com]

In my experience, the planes that go over Davis also go over Harvard.

And, yes, the planes go over my house. I don't care.

[kpht.livejournal.com]

so move?

[amy-s1.livejournal.com]

Nope check the map they dont go over harvard

[amy-s1.livejournal.com]

Moving is an option to consider but i love where I live except for this. There arent many other areas around here I would want to live.

The runway is only supposed to be used during NW winds but that is not the case.

[genesayssitdown.livejournal.com]

[townie]having grown up in boston, i'm glad to see other areas having to suffer through what i experienced growing up! i think it's ridiculous that they only, just now, have started redistributing the airplane noise wealth into other regions of the greater boston area! this is EXACTLY what should be happening when you live so close to an airport![/townie]

(i edited this because lj got rid of my townie tags, which takes away the entire character of what i wrote!)

[justjess.livejournal.com]

Agreed. I live right by Logan and I'm sick of everyone complaining about this.

[oneagain.livejournal.com]

People have all kinds of sensitivities to noise. The people who say "get over it" sadly don't necessarily understand that physiology DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY, TRULY, IT DOESN"T. That said, I don't know what can be done about it, especially if the above poster is correct in that the planes *are* already going over Harvard Square (and West Cambridge, as well, for all we know)?

I sleep with earplugs and an eye mask, on top of memory foam, which is probably a bit shock-absorbing, and take light sleep meds with occasionally something stronger. I also have light-blocking shades. My bedroom is on the side of the house with the busy street and two bus lines that stop outside my door (which woke me up pretty constantly when I first moved here, particularly when they announce the bus number and where it's going), and I sometimes had a hard time sleeping before I lived here, but these things eventually helped. Not that I would suggest medicating her right now, but perhaps ear plugs might help, at least for the time being? Or putting on some soothing music on repeat? Sometimes chamomile tea helps, too. I am wondering if she might eventually adapt if a bit more attention/soothing is applied now--I did, but that doesn't mean she will (here's hoping).

[smoterh.livejournal.com]

complaint filed. thanks for bringing this up.

[oneagain.livejournal.com]

The runway is only supposed to be used during NW winds but that is not the case.

Well then, perhaps something *can* be done about it:)

[clevernonsense.livejournal.com]

watching for a bit at around 6am I saw two planes go right over harvard and more along the edge of davis. But, it's really boring overall so I'm not about to survey :P

also, you live near an airport fyi. i'm not sure what you expect.

[spatch]

The thirty-minute stretch between 7:00 and 7:30 am shows a heck of a lot of takeoffs curving over Davis. It's quite a number for a morning, and a much better concrete display of data than "I heard like three go by or something and it was REALLY LOUD."

That said, didja really have to go on the defensive that much? The link and the display could've stood on their own without any of that qualification. The disclaimers all over are just inviting snark.

[amy-s1.livejournal.com]

Ok good point. But every time this issue gets posted, the poster gets called a whiner :-)

[http://users.livejournal.com/_meej_/]

Umm, what do you think this morning's winds *were*? They certainly seemed strongly from the west to me, as I was biking in to work and being physically slowed down by them coming downhill and westward.

I don't know if they were strictly NW, but they're definitely close, gusting, and changing direction strongly and suddenly.

[amy-s1.livejournal.com]

I know I live near an airport, but this issue has alot of history. When the new runway was built it was supposed to be used around 6% of the time, only during northwest winds. The reality is that it is used much more often than it should be. Before this runway, there were hardly any planes here.

Another thing to consider is that Somerville homes were not soundproofed like the ones near the original flight paths, like in Chelsea and East Boston.

[surrealestate.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, I think the responses when this issue is brought up justify the disclaimers, and some of the obnoxious comments already posted make the point, too. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been any better without 'em.

I don't find that map useful, though, since I can't figure out how to zoom in on the neighborhood, and the scale of the airplanes is too big for street granularity as it is.

[genesayssitdown.livejournal.com]

it's pretty irritating. we live in a major metropolitan area, with a big ass airport. i mean, jet noises are kind of abrasive at times, i get it, but i feel as if a lot of people feel as if they are entitled over everyone else to not have to experience it! where as to me, it seems these days at least they're making an effort to not just blast certain working class areas of boston to death with the noise.

this is a city wide problem to tackle; send all those planes out to sea, and have them turn around when they're at a high enough elevation that it's not really that much of a bother. but just complaining that some morning they were over your house instead of someone else's, it just doesn't fly.

[genesayssitdown.livejournal.com]

that map is pretty neat!

[amy-s1.livejournal.com]

This morning they were WSW and every departure was over Somerville. And if you look at the trend of the use of this runway, its definitely NOT only during NW winds.

[surrealestate.livejournal.com]

I don't understand this sort of comment at all. I grew up just as close to an even larger and twice-as-busy-as-Logan airport (with another large airport closeby as well) and did not experience as much plane noise as the last few years in Davis Square.

It also completely ignores the fact that it's a *new* problem, so obviously no, it wasn't something someone could have expected and plenty of neighborhoods that are just as close to Logan don't have this issue.

[amy-s1.livejournal.com]

If you zoom the map to a 10 mile radius, here is how to find Davis Square: The "2A" icon is right over Porter Square, and above that the two horizonal lines are Highland Ave and Broadway. Follow Highland to the left and the 5 road intersection is Davis.

[amy-s1.livejournal.com]

its nto about entitlement, its about the fact that certain neighborhoods have always had these planes. People moved there well knowing it, and their homes are insulated and soundproofed by Massport.

These planes coming over Somerville and Medford in such high volume is a NEW thing, and the homes here are not equipped for it and Massport wont pay for it.

I addition, the new runway was supposed in reduce delays and it didnt work!

[genesayssitdown.livejournal.com]

also consider that flights are much, much lower when they're flying over east boston and chelsea, then by the time they reach davis square.

[surrealestate.livejournal.com]

I think you may have misunderstood me. I know where Davis Square is, but since the plane is about a mile across, it's still not useful in terms of figuring out who is really affected. Some parts of Davis are much louder than others.

[amy-s1.livejournal.com]

Follow the green line behind the plane, thats the true radar path.

Time to roll out the classic

[thetathx1138.livejournal.com]

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/16889258@N03/3761578967/)

I should make this into a T-shirt.