Please Deice Your Sidewalk
Dec. 7th, 2007 01:57 pmWe're a few days removed from the first winter storm of the year, and yet many stretches of sidewalk in and around Davis Square are still covered in ice. Simpson Ave seems particularly bad as you get towards the Broadway end of the street and Cutter was no Picnic last night either. I can only imagine the folks who live there are renters, as I would think owner residents would not want to risk the liability. One trip to Home Depot or Tags and a few seconds tossing a small amount of rock salt on the ground will fix this. Please everyone do their part to keep the sidewalks in our neighborhood safe all winter.
Is there recourse for pedestrians in Somerville when folks do not clear the sidewalk or does it simply become a legal issue if/when someone slips and falls? I'd like to see the city stepping up to clear bad areas, perhaps citing landlords and residents who repeatedly fail to keep the sidewalk safe.
Is there recourse for pedestrians in Somerville when folks do not clear the sidewalk or does it simply become a legal issue if/when someone slips and falls? I'd like to see the city stepping up to clear bad areas, perhaps citing landlords and residents who repeatedly fail to keep the sidewalk safe.
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Date: 2007-12-07 07:18 pm (UTC)i was under the impression there were fines for uncleaned sidewalks but i could be wrong.
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Date: 2007-12-07 07:22 pm (UTC)There are fines for not clearing the sidewalk in front of your property but they've certainly not kept up with inflation and border on trivial ($25 for first offence, up to $100 for nth offence but since the people writing the tickets don't keep track it's almost always $25).
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Date: 2007-12-09 04:47 pm (UTC)blah blah blah, long comment.
Date: 2007-12-07 07:27 pm (UTC)Last year, I left a very polite message at a number I found on the city website - can't remember if it was a number specifically for reporting this kind of issue, or just a general line - saying that I didn't know if public school property was the school's responsibility or the city's, but that someone should be clearing those walks. I didn't see much change.
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Date: 2007-12-07 07:28 pm (UTC)In my building of 2 apartments, a couple of us living there generally take turns, but there's only so much I have time (or am willing to get sore muscles) for shoveling in any one winter, so I don't do it all the time. It's been hard enough getting ordinary repairs done, so I'm not going to push the landlord. I expect my situation is not unique.
That said, I really wish people would at minimum put down rock salt, which is neither hard nor expensive to do. I've already fallen down twice. Blech.
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Date: 2007-12-07 07:33 pm (UTC)I rent my apartment and regularly shovel and de-ice my sidewalk. The same goes for the other renters in my building. So, I'd appreciate it if you'd be careful about you're assuming.
Anyway, I also find the sheets of ice on sidewalks incredibly annoying (and unsafe!), especially as I walk to work. Last night while walking home, I seriously considered buying a bunch of salt and salting the entire neighborhood myself!
FYI, Simpson is indeed bad, but left side of the street (left if you're walking from Holland towards Broadway) is much better. Russel Street (off of Elm, across from the Domino's) is equally bad.
If I am correct, there is some fine associated with leaving ice/snow on your sidewalk if it's reported, but I am having trouble finding any information about it. Maybe dial 311?
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Date: 2007-12-07 07:48 pm (UTC)Maybe buy a bag and rig up some sort of backpack with a hole at the bottom so it's just distributed as you walk. ;)
All of these comments are making me so grateful for my landlords, who operate a business out of the first floor of our house. I've been totally willing to help the few times I've been up and out before they're finished, but they're super-early birds and almost always have the sidewalks cleared by the time I leave for work.
So now I can never move. I'm spoiled.
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Date: 2007-12-07 08:49 pm (UTC)I love the salt idea too...it'd be interesting to salt your own paths around the neighborhood and see where you travel. :-)
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From:So, like, everyone is responsible?
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Date: 2007-12-07 07:43 pm (UTC)(Yes, I know, not safer, but dammit, it's been like that since Tuesday.)
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Date: 2007-12-07 07:46 pm (UTC)I wish the city would just take care of the sidewalks like so many other municipalities outside New England do. New York and Montreal, for example, shovel or snow-blow the sidewalks. Putting the responsibility on residents is a recipe for trouble, especially in a city with so many students and other high-turnover renters.
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Date: 2007-12-07 07:54 pm (UTC)* I make an exception for the people that are genuinely unable to clear the snow and tried to do a decent job for them too.
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Date: 2007-12-07 07:53 pm (UTC)This was over the summer, I believe, so I need to remember to ask him how that turned out.
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Date: 2007-12-07 09:34 pm (UTC)"I have forwarded locations you mentioned to ISD. I will follow up again on Monday with my own inspection of areas you mention. I constantly call in properties that I come across and I will continue to do so.
I see from the blog comments that many people seem to have various information of who is responsible. I have been informed that the property owner is the one that is ultimately responsible and would be the person that would receive a ticket. It has been my experience that the vast majority are absentee landlords, my pet peeve."
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Date: 2007-12-07 09:46 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-12-07 10:04 pm (UTC)And fwiw - I grew up in a suburb near here where the city was responsible for the sidewalks and had these little sidewalk plows that went around. I guess that chore has been passed off to the residents by now.
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Date: 2007-12-07 11:03 pm (UTC)Except someone earlier in this thread has pointed out that it's rightly everyone's responsibility. By law, not by "how you feel."
The way it actually works is: you want big rent, people are willing to pay big rent, big rent happens. I don't know what kind of "service" you expect unless you're putting these demands into writing on your lease.
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Date: 2007-12-08 06:50 am (UTC)But for some people, not having a shoveled sidewalk to walk down is just plain unsafe and for everyone else a nuisance. I'd hate to think I'd have to get my grandmother a taxi all the way from the T stop just so she could visit me because she would surely fall and break something on the two block trip to my house.
It snowed about an inch on Sunday night, I am amazed that that was too much for some people to shovel.
But I do understand that it's most likely a deadbeat landlord's fault and not the renters'... which makes it so frustrating for me because I'd love to just prank the houses that don't bother shoveling. But if it's not the renters' faults they shouldn't have to suffer.
I really wish the city actually fined people a large amount of money, and fined them more than once a season.
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