[identity profile] tomchampion.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
We just sent this out via Connect CTY:

While the city has NOT declared a snow emergency, the DPW is continuing to salt and sand roads and to remove snow at major intersections and city squares. Despite parking scarcity, residents must NOT park within twenty feet of intersections, obstruct the street, block hydrants or handicapped spaces, or violate resident permit parking. Residents and businesses are also reminded that they are REQUIRED to remove snow and ice from their sidewalks and to put down sand to improve traction. If you do not have access to sand, you may receive a free supply by bringing an empty container of five gallons or less to the DPW yard at 1 Franey Road. To further assist residents, the city will continue to provide overnight parking from 5 p.m. to 7 a.m. in designated city and school lots through and including Thursday night. Residents currently in legal curbside spaces have until Thursday morning at 8 a.m. to dig out and move their cars before the city resumes ticketing for parking over 48 hours. Thank you for assisting the city in clearing our roadways. If you need additional information, please visit the city’s website or call 311.

Just so LJ folks know, I have since learned that some 48-hour rule tickets may have been issued by the police . This isn't their fault -- they were authorized to do it -- but anyone who has received a 48-hour violation in the past 12 hours should call 311 right away. They should also PLEASE move their vehicles as soon as humanly possible -- we'll start enforcing on Thursday at 8 a.m., but earlier compliance would be very helpful.

PS Thanks to knowledgeable LJers schpahky and mamajoan for clarifying that the city will continue to street-sweep as and where we are able (we do tht all winter), but we won't be ticketing.
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Date: 2007-12-18 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starry83.livejournal.com
So I have a question ---
I dug my car out very nicely. I drove it today, and mercifully got my same nice spot again. How does the city know this? In other words, if drive and then move back to my same spot without a parking officer seeing me, will I get a 48 hour ticket (as of Thursday)?

Date: 2007-12-18 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rethcir.livejournal.com
I think I heard they might chalk your tires? I won't speculate much more than that.

Date: 2007-12-18 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dashford.livejournal.com
They will ticket only if it is clear that the car hasn't been moved since the last storm. It's not like they're going around right now taking pictures of who's parked in what spot.

I've always wondered what the city thinks people who go on vacation or otherwise have to leave town are supposed to do with their on-street parked car. Between the 48-hour law and the April-December street cleaning, you're basically stuck unless you know someone with an extra off-street parking space (or who is willing to move your car around periodically). It seems like there should be a "safe area" where people can leave their vehicles, perhaps for a nominal daily charge.

Date: 2007-12-27 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] on-reserve.livejournal.com
There is a place like this -- Alewife Station. Mind you, I've heard they are not allowing overnight parking right now.

Date: 2007-12-18 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starry83.livejournal.com
Thanks. I feel quite proud to have an official Tom Champion answer!

Date: 2007-12-18 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Thanks. I actually think the 48-hour rule serves no legitimate purpose, and should be replaced by a 14-day rule. The normal street sweeping schedule already ensures that anyone who leaves a car in the same place for two weeks will be ticketed.

Date: 2007-12-18 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narya.livejournal.com
I see this craigslist post:
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/wan/511887960.html
which is offering $100 for a spot near Central & Broadway. I don't know if that's actually representative though - it was the only relevant post I found on craigslist with a quick search.

$100/month in Davis Square driveway

Date: 2007-12-18 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-b-w.livejournal.com
http://community.livejournal.com/davis_square/952905.html

Date: 2007-12-19 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aquaflame16.livejournal.com
I understand the theory behind this, but in practice there are major problems:
1. What happens to people who use their car everyday and often come home to find the space they left is still available and park back in it: How do the T&P enforcement people know this and would they believe the driver if he/she made this argument? (anecdotal evidence says not)
Similarly, what if I am parked, drive to the grocery store and come home to find the only spot available is the one I left earlier. Why should I have any less "right" to park there than anyone else who might have come along during the time I was gone? And yet I would often hesitate to park there for fear of being interpreted as not having left the spot at all.

2. People who do not use their car daily, in order to comply with this rule, may simply go out at some point when there is a space available and move their car from one space to another. How does this benefit anyone else (assuming the spaces comparable in terms of location, etc.)?

3. The mentioned residents' less than stellar approach aside, the city should be doing what it can to encourage people to be better environmental citizens, or at least not actively discouraging less use of cars. This rule is actively hostile towards people who do not use their cars often. (Obviously not having a car at all would be the best from an environmental perspective, but assuming some people can't or won't be without a car, the less usage the better.)

4. The comparison to renting spaces is specious. Paying for a rented space guarantees you a space whenever you want it (whenever you happen to get home, regardless of street cleaning/snow emergencies, whatever), lets you park always in the same place, and lets you keep your car off the street (safer for the car). It is only secondarily about being able to leave your car parked as long as you like. All being able to leave your car in one place on the street means is just that: you can leave your car where it is until you need or want to use it. (Within reason, of course. I would have no problem with a 14-day, for example.) I really don't see how this is a valid comparison.

If we assume that a person is not going to drive more often than they would otherwise because of this rule (and I really doubt that would be its effect) that person's car would be parked in one space or another; what difference, from a "use of public resources" perspective, does is make which space that is?

Date: 2007-12-19 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aquaflame16.livejournal.com
re: 1.: I'm glad to know this about the enforcement. Maybe it will make me a bit less paranoid about re-parking in the same spot, etc.

I could certainly accept (not that it's up to me, obviously, this is just my opinion) something in between 48-hours and 14 days as fair to most parties. I mentioned 14-days just as an example. Personally I think something like 7 days would be great. Even 4 or 5 days would be a whole lot better than 2.

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Date: 2007-12-19 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koloratur.livejournal.com
That's all well and good, but what about people who are ticketed because they HAPPEN to be in the same space at the end of 48 hours? I once received a ticket for a time period where I not only went to the grocery store/out for errands 5 or 6 times (and had receipts to prove it), but was in Millis, MA with my car for a 7 hour stretch. There are exactly 2 spaces where I can park by my house on a Sunday night without going to another block/around the corner. And if one is open, it's ridiculous that I should have to worry that a parking attendant *might* have seen me there days ago. The ticket was eventually waived, but only after I called my alderman and he personally spoke to Parking.

Date: 2007-12-19 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Whereas I would say that someone who leave his/her car on the street for a week, while taking public transit or a bicycle or walking to work, is being environmentally responsible. The city should encourage this, not penalize it.

Date: 2007-12-27 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clevernonsense.livejournal.com
I fully agree.

Date: 2007-12-27 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
The theory is that encouraging turnover gives more "turns" to more people.

That's not the officially published explanation, though:

"The 'Over 48 Hour' regulation is designed to prevent non-resident vehicles from being stored on city streets and to identify and remove abandoned or stolen vehicles."

The 48 hour rule impact on non-resident vehicles would be minimal on resident-only parking streets, were the resident-only parking issue enforced.

If I go away for three days, my car isn't abandoned.

A car sitting on a street for more than 48 hours isn't, necessarily, abandoned or stolen.

Date: 2007-12-18 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daft.livejournal.com
Ditto what Ron said. I try NOT to drive my car as much as possible (saves the environment, doncha know. I wouldn't even have one if I didn't need to get out of the city now and then) and it cheeses me off that I have to move it around every other day.

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Date: 2007-12-19 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wallacestreet.livejournal.com
Sorry to have been unclear. The non-starter is having any form of zoned resident parking at all, period. Even something minor like extending the 48-hour limit near your home, but not for other Somerville residents, is right out. I suspect Rebekah is correct, especially if the push for it comes from Davis Square.

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Date: 2007-12-27 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jbsegal.livejournal.com
How does a Somerville resident who does not have a driveway but does on a car go on a vacation? I honestly don't have an answer for this - or at least one that is not financially burdensome (IE: pay for parking someplace).

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Date: 2007-12-27 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
Get someone else to move your car for you, thus, creating more environmental impact, that was completely unneeded (except for this policy).

Date: 2007-12-18 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennyelfenmass.livejournal.com
Yes. Or at least my friend was given a ticket for doing exactly this during the Valentine's Day storm earlier this year. She drove to work every day, got a ticket for being parked more than 48 hours. She contested the ticket with evidence that she had gone to work and was told by Somerville that "they didn't make a mistake, but as a one time courtesy, they'll remove this ticket, but don't expect us to be so nice next time."

Date: 2007-12-19 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koloratur.livejournal.com
That's what they told me, too.

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