[identity profile] sonofabish.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
Just to give folks a little heads-up as to what's in store for Somerville if this city-wide resident-only parking continues to go forward.

Tonight I went to visit an old friend over in Cambridge who was having a small impromptu get-together at her place. She lives off of Garden Street kinda near Harvard Sq. Her entire neighborhood is resident parking only. The nearest metered/public spots are back near Harvard Square about 3/10ths of a mile away.

She's new there so she doesn't have her guest permits yet. But even if she did, 4 of us had cars, so 2 of us would have been out of luck in terms of being able to get guest permits. So... I went back near Harvard Sq and did the loop for almost 20 minutes, but no parking spaces were to be had. My aggravation level was getting higher and higher and finally I decided the hell with it and called her to say that I would park in the lot for her building and just say a quick hello. Ultimately, it was decided to risk the wrath of the building manager and to leave my car parked there for a couple of hours and it was ok- my car wasn't towed.

But still... that was sheer dumb luck. And it gave a glimpse of what our guests can expect once these new regs are put into place. And if you want more than 2 guests with cars, you are totally out of luck unless you take time out of your day and go get more guest passes. If you're working a normal shift, when are you supposed to do this? And right now, there are no parking meters on my end of Highland Ave. Will that all be "resident only" parking? Will my overflow guests who don't have either of the two Golden Ticket guest parking passes have to park in Union Square and walk over? Gee, that will be fun in the winter, especially if the ladies care to dress up a bit in dresses and heels. Did you read that these guest passes are only valid on your street and the nearest cross street too?

The Mayor says this is all necessary because the system is FUBARed and gosh darn it, we just have all these people from "other places" coming here to Somerville to suck up all the free parking and let's scare the residents with stories about how ZOMG THE T IS COMING IN 8 MORE YEARS bringing even more hordes of filthy outsiders here to :: sniffle sniffle :: steal all the parking spaces from good old-fashioned hard-working Somerville residents. This is called generating a phony crisis that was used to justify this back-door screwing of neighborhoods like mine where there is no parking problem. It's free, no permit needed, and always plentiful In almost 7 years at this address, only 3 times has it taken me more than a single pass to find a parking spot and only once have I had to park more than 100 yards from my apartment. But there's a crisis, dontchya know?

Oh, right.... it's also about revenue, but on that, the Mayor's only being partially truthful. Not only will the citizens have to pay for resident and guest parking permits, but you can be 100% sure that meter maids will be prowling the neighborhoods at all hours looking to write tickets and who knows, they may even make parking without a permit a towable offense, and we know who benefits from that.

Yeah, I realize this is just whining and beating a horse that ain't only dead, but has already been turned into the glue for the parking ticket envelopes that come August will be gracing the windshields of our visitors from dark lands beyond Somerville.

Thanks for indulging me.

Date: 2009-07-03 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kpht.livejournal.com
Yeah, I agree that it's BS. I have a few friends who bought homes in Somerville who like to throw the occasional get together. Since the T ends far before a normal adult under the age of 40 ends a party, most of us have to drive. Even car sharing would screw us.

I live in a very car-centric tiny city where people seriously drive 300 feet instead of walking. Streets are super narrow and everyone and their cat has a car, my street fills up at 6pm when people filter home. But even we don't have the draconian parking measures Somerville has. I can understand the need for residents to park near their own homes - but the same residents need to be able to have people come by now and again both without a visitors permit and without fear of tickets or towing. This isn't Manhattan, it's Somerville.

Date: 2009-07-03 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turil.livejournal.com
That's what bikes and cabs are for, silly. :-)

Date: 2009-07-03 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kpht.livejournal.com
That's not a viable option for a lot of people. I'm pro-biking, pro-cab, and pro-T, but I also own a car and I have to drive a lot of places.
From: [identity profile] turil.livejournal.com
I agree that cabs are expensive, but they are a hell of a lot cheaper than owning a car in the city, if you combine them with public transit. And, if you can drive a car, you can drive a bike (or trike, or an electric version of either). Plus, bikes (and their similarly sized to be more easily parked) are a hell of a lot cheaper than cars.

What possible reason can you imagine that someone who could afford a car, and be physically able to drive it, would not be also able to be able to afford the T and cabs, or afford and drive a bike (or similar type of vehicle which isn't subject to parking prohibitions)?
From: [identity profile] kpht.livejournal.com
I don't live in the city. I live in another city 45 minutes away. So for me, the only way to socially visit people in Boston/Cambridge/Somerville is to drive. While the T works for those areas during the week, I live where commuter rail service is 4 hours between trains on weekends.

Also, I have a 5 month old child. I cannot transport him on a bicycle until he reaches his first birthday, nor can I really expect a cab to wait 15 minutes for me to safely put his car seat in. And on top of that, I have a car already, it's a sunk cost. I'm not paying more money for someone else to drive me around unnecessarily.

So that's just one example of how neither of those options work for me. I didn't mention "affording" in my initial argument anyway - just that it wasn't a viable option. It's not a money issue, it's an inconvenience issue.

Tha "only" way?

Date: 2009-07-03 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turil.livejournal.com
If other people with the same situation as you, living somewhere else and having a kid, can get around and visit friends without a car, why can't you?

Sure, it might not be as convenient, but then, hey, convenience is a far cry from "need".

As for the bike, you can indeed transport him on a bike, using a trailer, any time you want.

Re: Tha "only" way?

Date: 2009-07-03 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kpht.livejournal.com
Children under the age of 1 aren't supposed to ride in either trailers or on the back of bicycles. But I am no longer going to explain myself to you, as we've all established how rational you are in this community before.

OK be ignorant then.

Date: 2009-07-03 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turil.livejournal.com
Or take a minute to check the laws, or even just the MassBike website on the laws: "You may not carry any child under the age of 1 on your bike, even in a baby seat; this does not preclude carrying them in a trailer."

Re: OK be ignorant then.

Date: 2009-07-03 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kpht.livejournal.com
What I didn't care to point out to her, because I'm not going to be roped into an argument by someone completely irrational, is that my pediatrician told me under no circumstances to put him in a trailer before his first birthday, he's too little to withstand an accident. I asked him because my husband wants to ride with him and wanted to know. So it's not like I'm making some shit up, nor do I have to explain myself anyway.

The "everyone-should-bike" argument makes me so frustrated. It works for some people and that's awesome. But it doesn't work for me. I make up the environmental impact of my (35mpg-getting) car in other ways - my kid doesn't use disposable diapers, for one. With the side effect of saving thousands of dollars, too. But you know what I don't do? Be a total douche and harass other moms who don't choose to cloth diaper.

Consideration

Date: 2009-07-03 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmathedog.livejournal.com
I agree the proposed rule changes are ridiculous, but for future reference in Cambridge if the event is not "impromptu" one can ask the Cambridge parking office for "Consideration" one business day in advance and they won't ticket cars at a particular address. I guess Somerville has a similar offering - but of course they charge a per-car fee!
http://www.cambridgema.gov/traffic/Consideration.cfm
http://www.somervillema.gov/section.cfm?org=traffic&page=916

Date: 2009-07-03 10:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gingicat
I wonder what arrangements will be made for people who live outside Somerville but go to religious services there, perhaps at a place that doesn't have a parking lot?

Date: 2009-07-03 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koshmom.livejournal.com
The "arrangements" is that you can park anywhere on Sunday. Somerville's officials know that only true religions observe Sunday, all the other so-called "religions" that observe on days other than Sunday are just a bunch of heathens who don't matter anyway (at least according to Somerville) so there's no problem there. Accommodations have been made for the "important" religion(s). This Isn't A Problem, and if you think it is, it just means you're one of those who isn't of the Proper Religion, and ergo you can pay the ticket.

(brought to you by your friendly neighborhood sarcastic ranter, who thinks this Somerville parking thing just totally sucks)

religious org parking

Date: 2009-07-07 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elements.livejournal.com
I agree the current parking issue sucks, but just as an FYI religious organizations can buy special permits from the city to use at times that aren't Sundays. I'm a member of Havurat Shalom, and we've done several things to help for our attendees, including getting several of those special permits for guest and members who drive in from other cities, and getting special consideration on High Holidays etc.

No, it's not as easy as having your sabbath happen to be on a Sunday, but it works out OK. The main problem we've had is that sometimes people get ticketed in the time it takes them to walk up, grab a permit, and bring it back to the car, but AFAIK folks have been able to appeal those.

Re: religious org parking

Date: 2009-07-07 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elements.livejournal.com
We still had to pay for the special permits; the only difference from a normal resident is that we were eligible for more than just 2 guest permits. I think we had to prove our legal religious nonprofit status.

But heck, why not call and ask? Because technically you shouldn't have to operate out of a church building to do something religious ;)

They'll probably tell you to plan your religious celebrations in advance and to get the one-time extra guest passes.

churches get a free ride everywhere.

Date: 2009-07-18 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
You should see what happened in DC when Logan Circle residents demanded the city follow its own laws and tow double parked cars, on sundays, of non residents who were habitual attendees at churches there.

Congregants who had moved OUT of DC because of the crime, and now complain about the gentrification of the neighborhoods their churches are in ... and how they, as members of the urban underclass (who are no longer urban, but that's beside the point) are being discriminated against with enforcement of parking laws that are designed to make sure emergency equipment can pass.

Date: 2009-07-03 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hahathor.livejournal.com
Somerville has had this in effect since I've been living her (late 90s). It used to be free, now it's $1 a pass, which is a lot less than a parking ticket. I'm pretty sure that you can get as many as you want. I had a huge party last Saturday (probably 60+ people over the course of the party). I got 5 passes, which combined with my visitors passes covered things - of course, people shared (folks who came early brought passes back so later guests could use them), and a lot of people biked, T'ed or already had Somerville passes.

The office hours do, in fact, suck. It is open till 7 on Thursday, so if I know I'm having a weekend party, I go over then.

I realize that doesn't make this not-a-problem, but I did want to share some potentially useful information for those who want to have parties.

Date: 2009-07-03 11:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cutieperson
you used to be able to get as many as you want. now they limit it based on how many extra cars they think your street and one cross street can handle. depending on where you are that might be 2 or it might be twenty.

Date: 2009-07-03 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m00n.livejournal.com
If this is indeed the case, isn't it kind of selfish to complain about suddenly not being able to park as many cars in front of your house as you feel like just because you are having a party?

Anyway, parking *should* be difficult in a city. It encourages people to carpool or use other modes of transportation.

Date: 2009-07-03 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m00n.livejournal.com
This thread is the first I heard of a "parking crisis." Up until now I thought this proposal was entirely a response to the budget crisis.

Anyway as someone who lives at the outer limits of what would be considered a "T accessible" are the solution I offer is the bicycle. In spite of what some car owners and seasonal bicyclists will tell you, you *can* bike in the rain and indeed people in many other parts of the world do it all the time.

That said, there is kind of a bootstrapping problem here wherein people are not likely to buy bicycles just to come to parties at my house, so it's not clear that a regulation like this that affects only guests would actually do much to improve anything. The way I see it, people in neighborhoods that are under-served by public transportation should be able to get as many guest permits as they need, but they should be expensive enough so that the burden of the extra cars on the neighborhood is shouldered (in some abstract way) by the permit holders.

Date: 2009-07-08 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m00n.livejournal.com
I'm not suggesting everyone should just bike everywhere all the time (although I can't imagine how that could be a bad thing), just that people use a bicycle to get to the parties that aren't at public transit accessible houses or will be ending after 12:45 am. The number of times when one of those parties happens to coincide with the relatively small number of days of the year when it is snowing or sleeting is maybe once in a year for me at most, if that. Most of the time when the weather is that bad, people cancel their parties because no one wants to drive a car either.

Arguably a 200 pound 40 year-old stands to benefit more from getting on a bicycle than someone younger and lighter. And as for aggressive drivers, the only antidote to that is more people on bicycles.

Date: 2009-07-03 03:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cos
Parking near Davis is already limited, either permit only or metered or 1hr/2hr limit.

Various other parts of Somerville that currently have unrestricted parking also currently don't have much public transit, and the bus system around here is too opaque for irregular users anyway.

So, they can wait until the Green Line actually goes in, and then it would make perfect sense to restrict parking near the new T stops just as it's restricted near Davis.

Date: 2009-07-07 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elements.livejournal.com
Agreed ++

Date: 2009-07-03 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spaz-i-mota.livejournal.com
fyi--they've raised the guest passes to $5 this year, but I think you can get extra ones for special events you may be hosting - which may require some planning so I suppose impromptu events are still hard...

Date: 2009-07-03 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intuition-ist.livejournal.com
short form: the city wants money. this is a way to get it without raising taxes. they don't care what we think, or want. they've made that perfectly, abundantly clear.

Date: 2009-07-03 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiositykt.livejournal.com
Which is why I am not moving to somerville. I currently live in Medford and I'm looking to move and under no circumstances would I move to somerville, because only of the parking. and this decision was made before this law. this law only made it more clear.

Date: 2009-07-04 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
Seems like another reason not to drive. We have the T, and we have cabs. We don't need cars.

Date: 2009-07-06 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
FYI: Cambridge gives out only one visitor pass per apt, not two.

Date: 2009-07-06 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
Thanks.

Equity

Date: 2009-07-06 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cden4.livejournal.com
For me, the resident parking debate isn't just about turnover, it's about equity. How is it fair that some residents have to pay $15 per year (plus $5 for each visitor permit) while others pay nothing? It seems to me that the fair thing to do is to charge all residents $15 for the privilege of parking their car on public property.

Date: 2009-07-06 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tt02144.livejournal.com
~This is most certainly all about revenue.
~This was most certainly voted on with the Mayor's approval, or his directive.
~Another point about guest passes. The same vehicle can only use the guest pass once within so many hours/days. So if your boy/girlfriend, for instance, doesn't live in Somerville, but would like to visit 3 times per week, expect a ticket.
~I pay more than enough in property taxes/excise taxes to insure me the right to park a vehicle on the street without additional costs.
~My street has been permit parking for several years, for no reason, other than someone thought it would prevent people from parking and walking to Davis for the T. What they didn't understand is that ANYONE in Somerville with a permit can park on our street and walk to Davis for the T. It only prevents people from outside of the city from doing this.
~For this who so blithely suggest that everyone walk, bike, or ride the T, please let's be serious. My husband has physical problems which would make it impossible to ride a bike, or walk the distances that the T would require. And how would you like my friends in Woburn, Burlington, Stoneham, etc. to get to my house via the T. The city would now like all of our friends to be in similarly T accessible communities.

Date: 2009-07-06 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tt02144.livejournal.com
~This is most certainly all about revenue.
~This was most certainly voted on with the Mayor's approval, or his directive.
~Another point about guest passes. The same vehicle can only use the guest pass once within so many hours/days. So if your boy/girlfriend, for instance, doesn't live in Somerville, but would like to visit 3 times per week, expect a ticket.
~I pay more than enough in property taxes/excise taxes to insure me the right to park a vehicle on the street without additional costs.
~My street has been permit parking for several years, for no reason, other than someone thought it would prevent people from parking and walking to Davis for the T. What they didn't understand is that ANYONE in Somerville with a permit can park on our street and walk to Davis for the T. It only prevents people from outside of the city from doing this.
~For this who so blithely suggest that everyone walk, bike, or ride the T, please let's be serious. My husband has physical problems which would make it impossible to ride a bike, or walk the distances that the T would require. And how would you like my friends in Woburn, Burlington, Stoneham, etc. to get to my house via the T. The city would now like all of our friends to be in similarly T accessible communities.

agreed

Date: 2009-07-09 07:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimba21.livejournal.com
I am appalled that this may happen.
Ultimately this will cost the city a ton of money -
when tickets are issued left and right to all our visitors, people will protest so loudly that most of the permit signs will be removed. I just hope they don't leave the metal stumps all over the city - my elderly father got one in his leg in union sq last year, fell into traffic and almost got run over, not to mention 3 months to heal.

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