[identity profile] redcolumbine.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
Although I'm not sure exactly what location he's looking at, nose-to-tail no-waste butcher Vadim Akmenko is raising funds via Kickstarter to open a butcher shop featuring local sustainably-raised meat in Somerville. Chip in as little as $5 to help get the project under way. Chip in more, and get a nifty prize (check the listings in the link). I love McKinnon's, but I'm trying to get away from the heavily-subsidized CAFO meat that's been all I've been able to afford so far. If he gets the backing he needs by June 14, I can have my ribs and eat 'em too!

ETA: The Kickstarter page says Somerville in one place and Cambridge in another, so it's not clear where Akimenko will eventually set up or even whether he's got a venue lined up.

Date: 2010-05-20 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
What is CAFO?

Date: 2010-05-20 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiositykt.livejournal.com
Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations

Date: 2010-05-20 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m00n.livejournal.com
Not to mention feeding tons of waste into the gulf of mexico

Date: 2010-05-20 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hrafn.livejournal.com
Hey, after all the death and dying caused by the oil spill, all that fertilizer is finally going to come in handy!

Date: 2010-05-20 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrealestate.livejournal.com
According to the project page, he's looking to open the place in Cambridge, not Somerville.

Date: 2010-05-20 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrealestate.livejournal.com
Yes, most of Cambridge is still closeby, but it would be nice to edit the post to reflect the actual plan. :)

Date: 2010-05-20 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hrafn.livejournal.com
O.O

Whoa. Thanks for the heads-up!

Date: 2010-05-20 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pzykotic.livejournal.com
Is sustainable meat more delicious than CAFO meat? Because that's all that really matters to me when I'm buying a giant steak. I tend to think it probably is, but I know nothing about it!
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Date: 2010-05-20 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emcicle.livejournal.com
on a side note, what happened with the ducks/hens?
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Date: 2010-05-20 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emcicle.livejournal.com
oh, that's really too bad. I was hoping they would win their appeal. I'm glad the ducks are happy, though.

Date: 2010-05-20 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pekmez.livejournal.com
wait, these are/were Cambridge duck & hens, not Somerville ones, right?
I'm still keeping an eye out for news on when Somerville finishes setting a policy on backyard poultry.

Date: 2010-05-20 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emcicle.livejournal.com
i wondered the same thing, until my husband came home with some organic, grass fed, all natural, no hormones, etc etc, ground beef from costco. We made it into burgers, and it was fantastic! Just to make sure it wasn't a fluke, we cooked more a few weeks later. Still delicous. I can't describe what the difference was, but it was just more flavorful than any other hamburger i've ever had....

Date: 2010-05-20 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pekmez.livejournal.com
And that stuff is *still* produced on a farm big enough to have national distribution to Costco for their high end beef sales, even if it has somewhat improved practices over the CAFO farms.

I think it tastes even better when it's from a local farm, myself.
There are small MA meat farms that should be selling at the Davis Sq, Union Sq, Central Sq, and Arlington Center farmers' markets when they start up in the next few weeks...

Date: 2010-05-20 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m00n.livejournal.com
CAFO meat gets most of its flavor from being highly fattening, whereas grass fed meat, while still fattening, has a more flavorful muscle tissue, which means the taste is a bit more complex.

Consider that CAFO meat, much like most other products of giant agriculture conglomerates, is engineered to appeal specifically to the lowest common denominator of taste, which is to say, it's very predictable, and guaranteed to have a lot of fat (which people tend to like, but is really only one part of the flavor mosaic) but not necessarily interesting. It also means that grass fed beef would be somewhat better for your heart. I wouldn't be surprised if we later learned that it had other qualities that make it more healthful than corn fed CAFO beef, too. That seems to be the general trend with products where the status quo is to maximize fat and minimize variability.

That's what critics say, anyway. I don't think I've eaten enough of either to really compare the two.

Date: 2010-05-20 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arrowintwolakes.livejournal.com
I describe the difference as "meatier." But it definitely varies from cow to cow when it's grass-fed/organic/what-have-you. If I'm having a real dinner, I'll try to seek out something organic, but if I'm marinating or just bringing something to a BBQ, as far as beef is concerned, CAFO is just fine. Lamb, goat, and fowl, on the other hand, I far prefer the free range variety. CAFO chicken gets the nutritional job done, but it sure is boring.

Date: 2010-05-20 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hrafn.livejournal.com
How diet affects nutritional value of beef (http://www.csuchico.edu/agr/grassfedbeef/health-benefits/index.html). The link there is to a Powerpoint slide (wtf), but grass fed is better, at least in the sample set, than purely grain fed.

"Diet significantly altered the lipid profiles within beef. Grass diets produced a product lower in overall SFA, higher in PUFA and a more desirable Omega 6 to 3 ratio. Grass-based rations increased CLA by 50% and Omega 3 FA by 40%." (SFA - saturated fatty acids; PUFA - polyunsaturated fatty acids; CLA - conjugated linoleic acid and no I don't know what that means)

Date: 2010-05-20 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dilllll.livejournal.com
It's just saying that cows fed grass ended up w/ meat that had lower amounts of "bad" fat, and higher amounts of "good" fat (where "bad" fats do things like clog your arteries, and "good" fats do things like help brain development, and potentially even fight cancer in the case of CLA).

Date: 2010-05-20 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syntheticnature.livejournal.com
You could pick up some River Rock Farm beef at Dave's Fresh Pasta for a test drive. Or, in a couple of weeks, at the Davis Square Farmer's Market.

Date: 2010-05-20 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gruene.livejournal.com
I don't eat chicken in this country unless its heavily heavily marinated. The meat has no flavor whatsoever. If you're ever in a third world country, try the chicken. So much better!

Date: 2010-05-20 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com
I never knew how good chicken can be until I ate chicken in Japan (and that's not even 3rd world). My eyes rolled all the way back in my head, it was that good (and it was just chicken meatball yaki tori, nothing fancy). My though at my first bite was "I haven't tasted this in 30 years," and indeed, it brought back long lost memories of what chicken tasted like when I was a very young child. Just an explosion of flavor.

Date: 2010-05-20 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arrowintwolakes.livejournal.com
Local and sustainable? Sign me right the F up!

Yes, the taste and texture is noticeably better

Date: 2010-05-20 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tom-champion.livejournal.com
I am SO on board with this!

Thanks RedColumbine for the tip.

And for those not familiar with naturally raised meat: the texture is noticeably less spongy and there is simply more flavor of all kinds: more complexity, more concentration, more nose.

I, too, appreciate McKinnon's, but this type of meat is in a category all its own.

Even if we have to go all the way to Cambridge to get it.

Date: 2010-05-20 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pekmez.livejournal.com
I can't wait to get my hands on stuff like bones and scraps, too.

Date: 2010-05-20 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com
What are you going to make? (just curious)

Date: 2010-05-20 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pekmez.livejournal.com
soup stock, roasted marrow bones, and sausages. oh, and pate, too.

I don't know how to butcher (though I'm hoping to learn more!) Right now, I buy my meat from a CSA that has already butchered and vacuum-packed it before it gets to me frozen (though I can occasionally get random things like offal and bones from them as extras), but I like the idea of getting more scraps. I realize he'll use them to make many of the same tasty things himself and sell them in the butcher shop, but I like making them myself, too!

Date: 2010-05-21 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com
Cool! It's good when more of the animal gets used. Also, I'm a huge fan of Anthony Bourdain and he is a big advocate/appreciator of offal, so it interests me to see the yummy uses people find for it.

Date: 2010-05-20 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] findingthegirl.livejournal.com
Sherman Market in Union Square sells a variety of locally grown animal products. They keep their facebook and twitter accounts up to date with daily shipments.

Date: 2010-05-20 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obie119.livejournal.com
I think the biggest taste difference between CAFO and locally-raised "happy meat" is in the pork - but it's all more flavorful...also cooks faster too so be careful.

After I read this article though: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/us/31meat.html?_r=1&scp=5&sq=ground%20beef&st=cse I won't buy commercial ground beef - I am not squeamish but the s*** they put in ground beef is just criminal.

Interesting data point - I finally had my chloresterol tested after three years of eating 85% grass-fed animals/eggs. (not 85% of my diet, but 85% of my total meat intake - I'll still eat at restaurants or whatever) - my HDL went up 15% and my LDL went down 15%. There were no other major dietary/lifestyle/exercise changes between the two time periods. So who knows if that's the direct cause, but I'll take it!

Arlington farmers market has one vendor (Smith Family Farm) with pretty cheap ground beef if you want locally-raised but less expensive. It is a farmer making cheese, so the cows are older dairy cows. It's supposedly not as good because the cows are raised for dairy and not beef, but frankly I can't taste the difference when it's on the grill. I'd double-check with the farmer re: grass fed vs. grain and all that, because I don't rmember the details.

But yeah, basically all the farmers markets these days have a meat person of some sort - and Dave's Fresh Pasta also has some good local stuff too.

Date: 2010-05-20 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pekmez.livejournal.com
Arlington farmer's market also had Chestnut Farm meat for sale the past several years, unless they're planning not to be back there this year for regular market sales.

Date: 2010-05-23 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duffless2323.livejournal.com
Funny, that is the same title as my personal ad!

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