[identity profile] qualitygig.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
I'm curious if anyone else has seen this in their neighborhood.  I live between Davis Square and Ball Square, and some _____ stapled posters to just about every other tree in the neighborhood advertising their new service (start-up).

You would think someone would know stapling posters to trees will at a minimum piss people off and might even consider it could be illegal (or why else wouldn't everyone be doing it).

What I'd like to know is a) has anyone else seen this and b) does anyone know for a FACT that stapling a poster to a tree (or utility pole) is illegal ?  My experience / recollection as a longtime Massachusetts resident is that it is, in fact, illegal, but I haven't been able to find any official website or source clarifying the point.

There's a second-half to the story that I'll share, but I'm interested in getting feedback on the above first.

Date: 2012-05-15 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
It's very damaging to the trees. People who want to put up posters should stick to using utility poles, which can't be damaged in any meaningful way by stapling.

You shouldn't even lock a bike to a tree, to avoid possible damage to the bark.

Can you tell us what business is doing this, so that people here can complain to it?
Edited Date: 2012-05-15 08:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-15 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
I'd focus on the environmental damage rather than on whether or not it's illegal. It's probably illegal to staple to utility poles also, but this practice is harmless.

Date: 2012-05-15 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clevernonsense.livejournal.com
I assume the illegality of it stems from how ugly and blighted a neighborhood when every post, pole, and tree covered in what's essentially trash. In that vein I think it causes harm.

Date: 2012-05-15 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
To me, that indicates that a neighborhood is lively and active and has cool things happening all over it. BUT, people need to take all of their posters down when their events are over!
Edited Date: 2012-05-15 09:32 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-17 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chenoameg.livejournal.com
I noticed a lot of posters for the new ice cream delivery service were stapled to trees.

Date: 2012-05-15 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
I found this: Somerville Tree Care Guidelines (http://www.somervillema.gov/sites/default/files/documents/UFITreeCareGuidelines.pdf).
Nothing specific about stapling notices to trees, but it does talk about locking bikes to them.

Date: 2012-05-15 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Probably because the city's tree coordinator didn't think anyone living here would be stupid enough to staple things to trees.

What do you say we point him at this thread? His name and e-mail address are at the bottom of the document you linked to.
Edited Date: 2012-05-15 08:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-15 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
I also found this: Somerville's Urban Forest Initiative (http://www.somervillema.gov/departments/ospcd/parks-and-open-space/urban-forest). Nothing specific on tree law, though.

I did think about emailing, but the address is "pintern2" which kind of sounds like a temp/intern email...so I'm digging around a bit first...

Date: 2012-05-15 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clevernonsense.livejournal.com
Does the city really have a tree coordinator? Did they choose the color pattens when the knitters made tree sweaters?

Date: 2012-05-15 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
I don't know much about yarnbombing, but I assume it can be done in a way that doesn't puncture or otherwise damage the tree.
Edited Date: 2012-05-15 09:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-15 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmd.livejournal.com
damage, no. humiliate, possibly!

Date: 2012-05-15 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clevernonsense.livejournal.com
that's why they have a coordinator--to keep things tasteful and stylish

Date: 2012-05-15 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
Warden, not coordinator. Doesn't warden sound more...I don't know, powerful, somehow?

Date: 2012-05-15 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clevernonsense.livejournal.com
I propose the position title be changed to "Tree Fashionista"

Date: 2012-05-15 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlecitynames.livejournal.com
I am the Warden, I speak for the trees?

Date: 2012-05-17 04:48 am (UTC)
cos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cos
My favorite comment in davis_square in a long time!

Date: 2012-05-16 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
The document you linked to earlier mentioned an "Urban Forest Initiative Coordinator", which I abbreviated to "tree coordinator".

Date: 2012-05-15 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
Here we go: MA Legislature Chapter 87 - Shade Trees, Section 12 : Injury to shrubs, trees or fixtures (http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXIV/Chapter87/Section12)...

Whoever wantonly injures, defaces or destroys a shrub, plant or tree, or fixture of ornament or utility, in a public way or place or in any public enclosure, or negligently or wilfully suffers an animal driven by or for him or belonging to him to injure, deface or destroy such shrub, plant, tree or fixture, shall be punished by a fine of not more than five hundred dollars, and shall in addition thereto be liable to the town or any person for all damages to its or his interest in said shrub, plant, tree or fixture caused by such act. Whoever by any other means negligently or wilfully injures, defaces or destroys such a shrub, plant, tree or fixture shall likewise be liable to the town or any person for all damages to its or his interest in said shrub, plant, tree or fixture caused by such act.

Not a lawyer (just work in Property Insurance and watch a lot of Law & Order), but I think stapling notices to trees could be considered "defacing" a tree. And that's a state law.

Apparently you're meant to contact your town's Tree Warden (http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXIV/Chapter87/Section2).

AHA. Somerville's Tree Warden is Steven MacEachern of 1 Franey Rd. Phone: 617-625-6600 Email: smaceachern@somervillema.gov (http://www.masstreewardens.org/files/2012/7Feb2012_TreeWardensandDeputysbyTown.pdf)

I don't want to barge in on the OP, but Ron's idea of pointing him to this thread may be interesting...
Edited Date: 2012-05-15 09:07 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-15 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmd.livejournal.com
... I had no idea. You win at research!

Date: 2012-05-15 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
The Google-fu is strong with this one...

Date: 2012-05-15 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
1 Franey Road is the Department of Public Works, and 617-625-6600 is the main switchboard number for the City of Somerville government.

Date: 2012-05-15 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
Aha. That makes sense. The address and the email/phone number were on different pages of that document, which was odd. His email is a city email too.

Date: 2012-05-16 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rufinia.livejournal.com
That's not the most appropriate law. The key word in § 12 is "wantonly" and you're not going to get there with stapling a sign to a tree. You want Section 9, "Signs or marks on shade trees"

"Whoever affixes to a tree in a public way or place a notice, sign, advertisement or other thing, whether in writing or otherwise, or cuts, paints or marks such tree, except for the purpose of protecting it or the public and under a written permit from the officer having the charge of such trees in a city or from the tree warden in a town, or from the department in the case of a state highway, shall be punished by a fine of not more than fifty dollars. Tree wardens shall enforce the provisions of this section; but if a tree warden fails to act in the case of a state highway within thirty days after the receipt by him of a complaint in writing from the department, the department may proceed to enforce this section."

(Not a lawyer, but a law school graduate as of next week, and still with access to WestLaw)

Date: 2012-05-16 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
Behold the power of WestLaw!

Date: 2012-05-17 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
Awesome. I just nitpick forms' wordings. Didn't see Section 8, and you're right, that's way better.

Date: 2012-05-15 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] svilletheatre.livejournal.com
My understanding is that flyering of any type on trees and lampposts, public property (excepting community bulletin boards or the like) etc. is prohibited in Somerville. We mention that frequently to groups putting on shows at the theater, as our understanding is that we can be fined by the city for it. It's not happened in over a decade that I can recall, but then most people aren't as egregious in their violations as this organization seems to be.

Date: 2012-05-16 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradoox.livejournal.com
Wow, and this makes Somerville a better place to live how? What about lost pet posters?

Date: 2012-05-16 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Or, for that matter, yard sales? They attract many more people if the surrounding neighborhood has been liberally postered. Not everyone reads this community.
Edited Date: 2012-05-16 11:26 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-16 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pywaket.livejournal.com
A few years ago I had a yard sale and out up a few fliers on nearby utility poles. During the sale a DPW employee drove up my one way street *the wrong way* in their truck to tell me *I*was breaking the law and would be fined if I didn't immediately go take down my signs.. Sigh....

Date: 2012-05-16 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
I would not have known about the Brown School yard sale a couple of weekends ago if not for numerous signs on surrounding streets. (None attached to trees, I don't think.)
Edited Date: 2012-05-16 01:47 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-15 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] springhill02143.livejournal.com
I just picked up my moving signs and the instructions for posting them specifically prohibit stapling/nailing them to trees. You can tape them though. And you must remove them.

Date: 2012-05-16 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Awaiting with bated breath ...

Date: 2012-05-17 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] secretlyironic.livejournal.com
Srsly. What happened?

Date: 2012-05-17 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teko.livejournal.com
Any updates on this situation?

Date: 2012-05-17 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aroraborealis.livejournal.com
Yeah, bring the backstory!!

Date: 2012-05-17 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
What error did you get? My guess is that the comment exceeded a maximum length.

Date: 2012-05-17 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
I can't wait!!!

Date: 2012-05-16 02:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] smammy
And here is was thinking that trees were resilient and could take a little stapling! After all, we climb them with tree spurs, tap them for sap, and so on.

Date: 2012-05-16 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaggy-man.livejournal.com
If you'd ever glanced at a utility pole in these parts, you'd surely have regarded the phrase "a little stapling" as insane the moment you typed it.

Date: 2012-05-16 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] larksdream
Actually, arborists try hard to only use spurs to climb trees that they're taking down, exactly because they open wounds that can let infection enter the tree.

It doesn't seem to me that normal staples would get past the outer layer of bark in a mature tree, but saplings and young trees have much thinner bark, and not everyone is overburdened with common sense. (I once saw an adult man doing pullups on a thin branch of a young city tree. Handy tip: if you are moving the entire tree with your activities, it is time to find a bigger tree.)

Date: 2012-05-16 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
Tap once a year, climb once every few years in most cases. Stapling every day is the death by a thousand tiny punctures. Also, it's unnecessary.

Date: 2012-05-16 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Some trees in parks and woods get climbed a lot more often than that, by kids and teenagers.

Date: 2012-05-17 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chenoameg.livejournal.com
Presumably not with spurs?

Date: 2012-05-17 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
Yep, exactly.

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