Jonmon showing up at people's houses?

[pywaket.livejournal.com]

So I got my letter in the mail today and just a few minutes ago JonMon showed up on our doorstop, ringing the bell. When my housemate opened the door, he ran off, jumped in his car and drove off at a high rate of speed with his lights off.

He also made a really critical error in his letter to me which I won't divulge here so as to give him any more help than necessary.

BTW: Monsarrat, I know you're reading this and just let me say I ain't intimidated, since I know that's what you're trying to do. I'll be reporting this to the cops, and if you do it again, expect a restraining order to be filed. I know just how to get one and have had perfect success getting them in the past.
ETA: also, if you deny that you're a creepy stalker (which, in my opinion, you are), showing up at people's houses in the middle of the night and harassing them is not a very good way to prove that you aren't.

Comments

[ds-crier.livejournal.com]

pywaket was asked what they felt jonmon's motive was and pywaket simply responded. Perhaps the sanctimonious comments should be directed at the questioner?

[cos]

I'm sorry that you feel like using words like "sanctimonious", but mostly I hope people just stop arguing about "was it this motive or that motive" and did not intend to direct that at one such arguer or another. I meant it for anyone doing such arguing.

To put it another way: If someone had just said "we don't know his motive, it might be something we didn't think of" that could've been constructive. But beyond that, both painting a specific alternative motive, *and* attacking that painting full of sarcasm and appearing to argue in favor of the original suggestion, are both IMO not constructive.

[pywaket.livejournal.com]

If you did not intend to direct your comments at me, why did you respond to me and not the person questioning my interpretation?

[cos]

Actually, I didn't respond to you (until later, when you asked me a direct question). Take a look.

[pywaket.livejournal.com]

Indeed, you are correct and I apologize. Since I'm the original poster, I've been getting lots of LJ notifications about this thread, and the way gmail displays them, it looked like you were responding to me. Again, sorry about that.

[cos]

No problem.

For the record I don't see anything wrong with you answering someone's question about why you think he did it, by giving your guess. I just wish we didn't get into heated arguments about competing theories about why he did it.

[pywaket.livejournal.com]

Thank you.

As far as the arguments, that's something you'll have to talk to Koshmom about. She's the one attempting to shut down discussion by telling people that expressing their beliefs is " absolutely contraindicated".

I stand by everything I've said.

[ds-crier.livejournal.com]

The argument that "we shouldn't try to guess the motives of others" is self refuting. For all I know, your intention in the post you just made was to encourage us to keep guessing at the motives of Jonmon. I would have to guess at your motive to arrive at the conclusion that you actually want us to stop. But then to do so I would have to ignore the argument that I am guessing you meant to make.

Now, I am again guessing that most people would assume that with high probability, based on your text and the context, you meant that we should stop. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. And with the case of Jonmon, many people would also assume with a reasonably high probability that he is seeking to intimidate people. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. The probability that one is guessing his intention wrongly might be higher than the probability that one is guessing your intention wrongly, but it is unfair to call it useless or non-constructive.

If understanding Jonmon's activities in terms of intimidation helps people abstract the actions of Jonmon into a consistent mental framework and it helps them accurately predict his future actions, then it is not useless. The statement "we don't know his motive, it might be something we didn't think of," on the other hand, says nothing whatsoever. How can one ever know anything by such standards?

While koshmom's opinion is, of course, desired, she expressed it in a way that was intended on shutting down the discussion by falsely implying some kind of moral high ground, that's where the word "sanctimonious" comes in (it was not directed at you). My reply was my actual understanding of her argument spelled out in greater detail, it was not sarcasm, although I was definitely incredulous.

IMO - let people say what they want to say without shitting all over them with equivocal platitudes. Especially when they are understandably upset over being stalked in the middle of the night.

[cos]

I honestly can't figure out what you're trying to communicate here, but my point is simply this:

- We can't know why he did this

- It's inappropriate regardless of why he did it

- It's useless to argue about competing theories of his motivation for this visit - "it's this!" "no it's that!"

Say whatever you want. If you find it useful to argue about whether he made this visit for this reason vs. that reason... have fun, just please don't try to shame me for saying I think that's not constructive.

[ds-crier.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure that this offshoot started because koshmom inappropriately shamed pywaket. This discussion has probably outlived its usefulness at this point, but my point is just that the claim that trying to understand Jonmon's motivation is "not constructive" is clearly not a manifest truth, that people should not be pressured into silencing themselves, and I wanted someone to defend pywaket, so that someone was me.

[pywaket.livejournal.com]

And I appreciate it. Thank you.

[pywaket.livejournal.com]

Koshmom seems to have a big problem with people expressing opinions she does not agree with. This isn't the first time I've seen her attempt to shut down a discussion when she doesn't like the direction it's going.

[bluesauce.livejournal.com]

Yup, she definitely does it, and I'm getting kind of tired of it, honestly.