[identity profile] trtls.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
Hi again,

We are looking for a home for our 8-year-old male cat.

We've added children to our home in the last 2 years and he's super child friendly -- but he really, really needs more attention than we can give him. He would do best in a household without children and would do fine with other animals as we've had other cats most of the time we've had him.

The problem we are having is peeing outside the litter box. The problem he is having is that he's just not happy. I can't promise he won't ever do it under perfect circumstances, but he definitely started doing this when our daughter was born and his world got turned upside down. All cat supplies we have can come with him; litter box, some litter, some food and treats. If you or anyone you know is interested, please email me at karen@mkmiller.org .

squoosh.
squoosh.
hug.

Re: My cat needs a new home

Date: 2006-10-04 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrealestate.livejournal.com
If you go to http://community.livejournal.com/davis_square/671685.html and click on the pencil (or "edit post") you can change the subject line.

Re: My cat needs a new home

Date: 2006-10-04 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrealestate.livejournal.com
No worries.

Aw, what a cute kittie! But I think your kid needs a dog. :)

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Date: 2006-10-04 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com)
(I'm the cat's other "parent".)

He's really a wonderful, super-friendly cat. He's just used to being the king of the house, and isn't able to cope with a toddler giving him huge, clumsy hugs or sit on him when he's trying to nap, or eat, or walk, or stretch, or lick his paws, or pretty much all the time.

He's just not happy. And I don't think he'd need a whole lot of attention to be happy again -- just more than "zero". He's always loved every person he's met -- purr, purr, purr.

Date: 2006-10-04 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
Showing pictures of a toddler sitting on him is a good idea. I know I want to rescue him from her...if only I could. But I already have three feline companions.

Poor, poor nameless kitty...

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Date: 2006-10-04 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com)
His name is "Red". (Because he's grey.)
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okay, sheesh.

Date: 2006-10-04 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com)
For the benefit of any non-troll readers who may have developed concerns:

- At the times the pictures were taken, the cat considerably outweighs the kid.
- He can move.
- She's actually very ginger with her sitting down. It's not like she's bouncing.
- Ever stepped on a cat's tail? If something is hurting them, they let you know.
- She also tries to pull his tail -- *that* we hear about, because it hurts him.
- We've actually done a pretty good job of stopping both the sitting and the
tail-pulling, but the hugging is more difficult.
- No, not pro-wrestling style death hugs from a 20-month old. But the cat thinks so.

I'm *really* not worried about physical harm. But the cat obviously doesn't like it. Nor the loudness. Actually, I think *more* the loudness.

Re: okay, sheesh.

Date: 2006-10-04 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrealestate.livejournal.com
(I know it's not the case, but)

The middle picture has this implication that poor Red dragged himself across the entire kitchen floor with the baby on his back... just to reach the food bowl... only to find it... EMPTY!!! NOOO!!!!

From where I sit, the cat looks darn mellow, given the lack of blood or scars on the baby. But clearly your daughter wants a dog. If you are any kind of decent parent, you'll get her one.

Re: okay, sheesh.

Date: 2006-10-04 05:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com)
> From where I sit, the cat looks darn mellow, given the lack of blood or
> scars on the baby.

He's really very sweet. He did hiss and nip at her once when she had cornered him and was getting his tail and we couldn't intervene fast enough, but he wasn't doing it to draw blood (and didn't) -- just signifying that he as the end of his rope. Most of the time if he's reached his limit he makes a whining meow and gives up his spot. (When he lived with other cats, he was always the one pushing the others from *their* places.)

Actually, I think he'd be a wonderful cat with somewhat older children.


> But clearly your daughter wants a dog. If you are any kind of decent parent,
> you'll get her one.

Oh dear. When she's old enough to do the dog-walking. :)

Re: okay, sheesh.

Date: 2006-10-04 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skate97.livejournal.com
you can't teach her to not harass the cat? that's what my parents taught us. poor cat ;(

Apparently, this also needs to be said

Date: 2006-10-04 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com)
Obviously, we don't *ALLOW* her to sit on the cat, and you can see that the pictures are all blurry because they were taken in haste and then the cat rescued.

But he really doesn't seem to be physically hurt by it. In the top picture, I walked into the room, and there they were, sitting like that for who-knows-how-long. (Well, less than a few minutes, because she's not really left alone by herself.) He looked at me and gave a sad little meow -- but not an in-pain cry.

In the second picture, I already had the camera in my hand because she was actually feeding him from his cat food bowl seconds before, and I wanted to get a picture of that cuteness.

Like many new parents, the camera is almost affixed to my hand, so I don't miss things -- even short-lived ones. If he *were* being hurt, don't think for a second we wouldn't have stopped that without taking the five seconds to take a picture. Note a lack of tail-pulling pictures, and until we taught her that that was forbidden, that was a much more serious problem.

The problem is not actually physical abuse. It's that she doesn't respect his personal space. I thought these pictures illustrated that pretty well, but apparently they're freaking people out. I'm sorry about that, because it's clearly a distraction.
From: [identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com)
Um, yes they are, as anyone can see. The first two, obviously, not the third. Remember it's not as obvious in 800x600 sized-down versions, but still jumps out at me as I assume it would to anyone with any knowledge of photography. Since your userinfo goes on about this being your big hobby, it's even more clear that you're trolling. Please stop, because this is a serious and emotional issue for us and it's hard for me *not* to respond even though I know you're just trying to get me all riled up.
From: [identity profile] flashfire.livejournal.com
I really don't get you at all. None of those pictures have typical motion blur. In fact, the first one looks almost still enough to be close to a portrait style of shot.

If you're seeing blur in those, maybe it's your own eyes.

Re: Apparently, this also needs to be said

Date: 2006-10-04 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] st-emma.livejournal.com
It's that she doesn't respect his personal space.

The pictures actually do illustrate that pretty well, but how is she going to learn how to respect his personal space if no one teaches her that she needs to?

Re: Apparently, this also needs to be said

Date: 2006-10-04 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com)
Well, obviously we do teach her. (As I'm pretty sure I already said.) I mean, *DUH*.

However, a toddler really doesn't have the emotional development to properly learn something like this yet. She can learn "no pulling cat's tail! no!" but not "the kitty doesn't want to play right now" or "I know that's your favorite chair, but the kitty was sitting there first". This isn't a matter of parenting skill or style but simple human development.

Date: 2006-10-04 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyrric.livejournal.com
Peeing outside the litterbox can be a classic sign not of unhappiness but of a urinary tract problem, which is very common in older male cats. If you don't necessarily want to give the cat away, and would keep him if only he'd stop peeing where he's not supposed to, take him to the vet and see if his problems are medical.

Date: 2006-10-04 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com)
Yeah, and indeed he had major surgery for such a problem several years ago (costing, sigh, thousands of dollars -- not just clearing the blockage but some actual rerouting of, um, plumbing). After that surgery, it's less likely that he'd have the same problem again (otherwise, we might not have spent the money, which we could barely afford), but it's within the realm of possibility that it's a new UT problem. He's on an old-male-cat-urinary-tract-health diet, which should help.

As I understand it from the previous episode, in most cases, UT attacks in cats resolve themselves without intervention. (Relatively few are bacterial infections, for example.) Unfortunately, the major recommendation other than diet is "keep stress to a minimum". So it's possible that the direct cause of the bad behavior isn't "bad cat" but actually a medical problem, but that our situation is directly causing that problem. So my hope is that in a more favorable environment any possible medical issue would be better resolved. (Assuming that it is in fact not just an anger/marking/dominance behavior.)

In any case, while the behavior is clearly a triggering factor, the main issue for me at least is that the poor cat isn't really getting the love he deserves from us and isn't as happy as he could be. And, although it's nice to think that he loves us best, since he is naturally inclined to be incredibly friendly to everyone, I think he'd quickly get attached to new owners and be much better off.

Anyway, thanks for your input!

Date: 2006-10-04 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] four-thorns.livejournal.com
"And, although it's nice to think that he loves us best, since he is naturally inclined to be incredibly friendly to everyone, I think he'd quickly get attached to new owners and be much better off."

I'm not so sure about that... my cat is super friendly to everyone and very easygoing, but when I've left him with my parents (who he knows and loves), they tell me he watches the front door at night for weeks on end, waiting for me to come home. For the first few days, he was upset enough that he did the occasional #2 on the couch, even. So finding your cat new owners may not solve the litter box problem...

Date: 2006-10-04 06:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com)
Yeah, I know, we can't promise that. :(

However, he *has* spent weekends (and even a week here and there) at friends' houses over the years, and has never had a problem.

Date: 2006-10-04 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flashfire.livejournal.com
Still deleting comments you don't like, huh?

Date: 2006-10-04 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattdm [typekey.com] (from livejournal.com)
Just your big strawman arguments and disrespectful garbage, and my well-intentioned but foolish responses. It was distracting.

Date: 2006-10-04 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flashfire.livejournal.com
I'm disrespectful toward you because you seem completely unable to grasp the concept of personal responsibility.

There have been no strawman arguments. I don't care what your excuses are - if you allow your child to sit on your cat long enough to take a picture (a picture, I should add, that is NOT at all blurry because of your alleged attempts to quickly take it and get the kid off, as a lack of sharpness or perfect focus is NOT the same as motion blur), which you clearly have done at least twice, not to mention however many times the kid's sat on him and you DIDN'T have your camera handy, that leads me to one conclusion:

You're a bad parent, and a bad pet owner.

It's a shame your lack of responsibility has led to you needing to find the cat a new home. It's a shame that the cat has to suffer for it, but it's obviously the right thing to do now.

you = trash

Date: 2006-10-09 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siliconwafer.livejournal.com
I will be taking my trash out tonight, and I hope tomorrow morning the garbage men do us all a favor, throw *your* trashy ass into the garbage truck, and allow you to rot in a landfill beneath a mountain of stinking compressed trash for eternity.

OK, so I know that won't happen, but I can cross my fingers.

Grow up and leave the poor mother, child, and cat alone.

Re: you = trash

Date: 2006-10-09 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flashfire.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, I doubt you'll get your wish.

Grow up? From where I sit, I'm merely showing the truth of the matter. It seems you have a problem with someone being asked to take more personal responsibility instead of making excuses.

Date: 2006-10-04 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamcoreyd.livejournal.com
Wow, a lot of people really missed the point on this one.

Exactly.

Date: 2006-10-04 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jwinter.livejournal.com
It's a shame because all those in question: the cat, the baby, the parents; all couldn't be nicer. They're just looking to make that cat happy.

Date: 2006-10-04 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cold-cold-water.livejournal.com
totally. i can't believe the way people are reacting in this thread. unbelievable. i am as much an obsessive cat-mommy as anybody else, but give these people a break!

Date: 2006-10-04 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-2-lunch.livejournal.com
People are jerks.

I wish I could take your cat; he's beautiful...but likely wouldn't be happy with my 4 year old male cat. :-( I hope you find a home for him soon.

Date: 2006-10-04 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flashfire.livejournal.com
I think people who fail to supervise their children enough are the real jerks.

Date: 2006-10-04 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-2-lunch.livejournal.com
What are you even doing in this community? It doesn't look like you live here. What's it like being a troll? Fun?

Date: 2006-10-04 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flashfire.livejournal.com
Encouraging better parenting is trolling, now?

Date: 2006-10-05 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamcoreyd.livejournal.com
Flashfire thinks Penny Arcade is funny, so he's not even human, anyway.

Date: 2006-10-09 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flashfire.livejournal.com
I've seen people go to some interesting lengths to discredit someone's opinion, but this is a new one to me. Good job.

Date: 2006-10-04 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watchamacallit.livejournal.com
Those pictures are adorable. Sorry people have jumped on you for that. My niece and nephew crawled all over their cats.

Date: 2006-10-04 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixy.livejournal.com
I know this isn't helpful but: if your cat weren't a male, I would say it was the identical twin, separated at birth, of my own Fuzz. Needless to say, he is adorable, as is your daughter, and I hope you find him a home!

Date: 2006-10-04 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koloratur.livejournal.com
I'm so sorry for you...your little girl obviously loves the cat...I hope that you can find him a good home - I wish we could take him, but I've got a 10 year old kitty that does NOT like little furry friends :)

good grief

Date: 2006-10-05 09:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karrie-amelia.livejournal.com
You're trying to find a better situation for the cat. You would think all of the people who are so appalled by his 'mistreatment' would be all for that.

I cannot help but think of the gazillion fliers I've seen where someone is "moving to France/Brooklyn/a really cool penthouse" and needs a new home for their cat(s). That strikes me as more irresponsible, but I'm certain that those pet owners would mostly garner sympathy.

The answer? Let's send our two year-olds over to run wild in their homes and see how able they are to lavish heaps of love on your cat or my dog. Or to get much of anything else done, for that matter. LOL. (My dog/irritating pet person related rant was listed with yours on the Universal Hub.)

If you do not have children yet,I can see how easy it is to say "Oh just teach her to leave kitty alone. That's what MY parents did, blah, blah, blah" If you do, like me, you're laughing your ass off at the idea of strictly enforcing that kind of rule with a two year-old.

Re: good grief

Date: 2006-10-06 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joifulgurl.livejournal.com
If you do not have children yet,I can see how easy it is to say "Oh just teach her to leave kitty alone. That's what MY parents did, blah, blah, blah" If you do, like me, you're laughing your ass off at the idea of strictly enforcing that kind of rule with a two year-old.

i TOTALLY agree. jesus. i am a nanny, and it's impossible to get these kids to stop ripping off their clothes & start running around the house, let alone act civily to each other (or animals). kids love animals, and kids show animals that they love them in not-so-gentle ways. and shit, if a kid wants to sit on a cat, a kid is going to sit on a damn cat.

Date: 2006-10-06 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joifulgurl.livejournal.com
ay ay ay, i had a similar problem with my cat (peeing everywhere! on my bed! on my couch! on my roommate's beds!) when i first moved to boston from New York. if you are hoping to keep your cat, i strongly encourage you to look into FeliWay. it is seriously incredible. it's a plug-in thing that releases feline pheremones into the air, calming the cat down. my cat IMMEDIATELY stopped peeing on things & stopped walking around, howling like she was dying. it basically works like airborne kitty prozac.

if you do not want to keep your cat, i really hope you find a good home for it. i would love to take him, but i have two FurKids already, and it's almost impossible to keep up with the pet hair tumbleweeds as it is. if you don't find anyone via livejournal, look into Buddy Dog Humane Society. they always had really awesome folks there (when i was looking for a dog), and they have a ton of people there to play with & take care of the animals.

also, craigslist was where i found my dog. i couldn't be happier with him. :)

oh! if you are looking for the best product to get rid of cat pee stains & smell, go buy Nature's Miracle. you can find it at Petsmart, it comes in a big white bottle with red lettering. seriously, all the smell & stains came out of my futon, it's incredible.

good luck. i hope you find a good home for him.

(also, this is weird, but i'm the heather you called for a reference for chistina today. ha!)

Date: 2006-10-08 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiositykt.livejournal.com
good luck!

My cat just likes peeing on leather couches. *sigh*

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