a half hour ago, at one-thirty a.m., my girlfriend and i were awakened by a giant smash and someone yelling "get on the ground!" and "don't move your hands!"
seconds later, sirens of all kinds were heard through the neighborhood, coming to a point a few houses down from where we live, on kidder ave. i was too curious not to investigate, as i saw from the window a crowd forming of sleepy, startled people from the neighborhood.
i quickly dressed and went outside, to find one person face down on the ground, handcuffed, next to a smoking SUV. on the other side, another person sat quietly. a few yards away, another car sat next to a tree, and i could make out firemen pulling something out of it. shattered glass and some sort of liquid coated the pavement between them.
pretty startling to wake up to. i thought it was a shooting.
anyone know what really happened?
seconds later, sirens of all kinds were heard through the neighborhood, coming to a point a few houses down from where we live, on kidder ave. i was too curious not to investigate, as i saw from the window a crowd forming of sleepy, startled people from the neighborhood.
i quickly dressed and went outside, to find one person face down on the ground, handcuffed, next to a smoking SUV. on the other side, another person sat quietly. a few yards away, another car sat next to a tree, and i could make out firemen pulling something out of it. shattered glass and some sort of liquid coated the pavement between them.
pretty startling to wake up to. i thought it was a shooting.
anyone know what really happened?
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Date: 2007-05-27 06:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-27 06:50 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-27 07:06 am (UTC)Although I spent some time gawking with the sleepy, startled crowd and speculating at how exactly the accident occurred, I feel like it's inappropriate in this forum to describe the accident in much more detail. Any time firemen are performing CPR, that's a life-and-death situation. Describing life and death and a new cupcake store in Davis just seems wrong to me.
I don't blame you at all for asking the question, I'm just trying to justify why I feel wrong answering it.
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Date: 2007-05-27 12:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-27 12:44 pm (UTC)There are a few details here
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/13396918/detail.html
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Date: 2007-05-28 04:35 am (UTC)But such a policy seems rather subjective. Any time you do anything, lives can be endangered.
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Date: 2007-05-28 04:54 am (UTC)However, once the chase is engaged,
In other words, if the chase was on a major thoroughfare, and the perpetrator made a sudden turn onto a small street, even if the authorities cease chasing (which I want to make clear that I agree they should), the perpetrator is likely to continue on with reckless abandon for some time.
It sounds like the initial stop was some distance away, and the more I look at the map (http://www.google.com/maps?q=Kidder+Ave+%26+Highland+Rd,+Somerville,+MA+02144,+USA&sa=X&oi=map&ct=image), the more I'm guessing the perpetrator entered Somerville on a more major thoroughfare (Boston Ave.).
If this is fact true (and I have no way of knowing yet whether it is), Javier Morales was on Highland Road for a very short time (no more than ~750ft) before he reached the intersection of Kidder Avenue. At an assumed speed of 60mph, such a distance would be covered in about eight and a half seconds.
It's hard to play what-if, but if the above assumptions are true, and if the police had not turned on to Highland Rd to follow, I can't help but see how Javier Morales would have altered his actions in such a short time to avoid the collision.
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Date: 2007-05-27 04:58 pm (UTC)I think part of what you're seeing there is the nature of the online medium -- you get fast response, but some copy editing gets sacrificed. (Though the articles tend to evolve a bit -- if you checked now I bet it'd be correct.)
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Date: 2007-05-27 02:33 pm (UTC)In the late 1990s, I worked on computer models of crash simulations for Honda. I'm no crash expert, and my role was relatively minor, but I have some small experience in the matter from seeing so many simulations. When I saw the damage to the SUV, it reminded me of simulations we did of a virtual 1997 Accord hitting a virtual wall of water barrels at 60 mph. I never did simulations of light truck crashes (that was a different division), so I don't know how my experience translates into SUV crashes, but it gives me a reference point to estimate the speed involved.
I have no way of knowing exactly what happened in the crash, but I can make some guesses and conjectures that are consistent with what I saw of the aftermath. Here's what I think might have happened: The SUV was going down Kidder towards Pearson at around 60 mph, and ran the stop sign at Highland Street. The taxi was going down Highland towards Morrison at a slow speed, having just stopped at the stop sign. The SUV hit the taxi square in the middle of the passenger's side, then the two vehicles stuck together while spinning as the SUVs momentum carried them down Kidder. My guess is the taxi hit the curb and some hedges, and that force cause the taxi to separate and stop while the SUV continued to skid, now facing backwards, down Kidder.
Both SUV airbags deployed, and the windshield was shattered by an occupant's head, at least on the driver's side (I couldn't see the passenger's side very well). The crash frames on either side of the SUV engine compartment did their job and cushioned the impact, probably saving the SUV occupants from more serious injuries.
The taxi was not designed to withstand a high speed impact from that angle. No car is designed for a high speed side impact; a car that safe would be incredibly expensive and fuel-inefficient, not to mention so wide that it would take up two lanes of traffic. A perfectly efficient society would be better served (more lives would be saved) if that money were spent on public health, road safety, and more traffic lights instead of on cars that could withstand high speed side impacts. The news reports say that someone was found in the bushes next to the taxi. I saw a line of bushes flattened by the taxi,and people performing CPR on a man lieing next to the last bit of intact bushes. I couldn't tell if this was someone ejected from the taxi, or a pedestrian hit in the later (and slower) phase of the crash.
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Date: 2007-05-27 10:29 pm (UTC)details
Date: 2007-05-27 09:23 pm (UTC)Re: details
Date: 2007-05-27 09:44 pm (UTC)Re: details
Date: 2007-05-28 03:28 pm (UTC)Hi friendofpaul
Date: 2007-05-27 10:01 pm (UTC)We live at the corner of Kidder and Pearson. Our bedroom window faces Highland Avenue. We did not see the crash itself. We heard it. It sounded loud and fast. By the time I looked out the window to see what the ruckus was about, it was about 2-3 minutes later. The first thing I saw was a police officer/trooper holding a gun and screaming at the people in the SUV saying "WHY DID YOU RUN? WHY DID YOU RUN? GET DOWN! GET DOWN! HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK!!" He cuffed the driver and the driver's passenger. Both of them were laying face down on Kidder Ave. Then, in less than a minute, more cops showed up. One of them had a bright flashlight and began looking around the cab. That's when we saw the person in the yard for the first time. He was face down. The cop turned him over and started yelling for help. They performed CPR for quite a while. Many people from the EMT and the Police/Fire Departments were near. They took turns performing chest compressions. Soon, EMT's with a backboard were there. They moved your friend on to the board and took him to an ambulance. The next people to go into the ambulence were the people in the cab. They needed some kind of tool (jaws of life?) to open the taxi. It sounded loud and wrenching. The taxi passengers were then taken out by the EMTs. I only saw one person come out of the taxi. I must have missed the second. After the taxi passengers were taken care of, the EMT's moved on to the SUV passenger. She yelled to them she was pregnant. After caring for her, they moved on to the driver.
Alot of other things were going on. . Police read the driver his rights. I didn't see them read the passenger hers. She may not have been. The driver and passenger were cuffed the entire time. EMT's finally took them away around 2:30 ish.
We were closer to the SUV than the cab. Unfortunately, I saw more there than around the taxi.
I hope this helps. You're in our thoughts.
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Date: 2007-05-28 12:29 am (UTC)If the district attorney is correct that this event started because of "motor vehicle violations" then his statement about responsibility is wildly inaccurate: the officer who initiated and continued the chase through city streets also bears responsibility. There are few reasons that I can think of for high speed chases when it potentially can put other people at risk.
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Date: 2007-05-28 04:58 am (UTC)I do agree that questions need to be raised about pursuits, and whether the high speed pursuit was engaged at the time of the accident or broken off beforehand or what the speed of the pursuit was and (most importantly), if the pursuit was engaged at high speed, why.
But lest we not forget that all Javier Morales had to do was pull over to stop this. That's all he had to do. Just stop his car.
While I am very much opposed to felony murder statutes, in this particular instance, I find it very sad that Javier Morales can get no more than 20 years in state prison.
I hope that amongst the legitimate questions of the pursuit, people do not lose sight of what happened, and fail to ask the DA to impose the maximum sentence of incarceration until 2027.
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Date: 2007-05-29 01:43 pm (UTC)Oh no!
Date: 2007-05-29 04:53 pm (UTC)After Sunday 11 p.m. tv news updates
Date: 2007-05-28 03:42 am (UTC)Do the Staties have a similar policy? If so, did this trooper follow their guidelines? The concerns about state police procedure are legit, but we're not going to get answers for a while, because accident reconstruction takes time. The Channel 5 reporter (Tim ?) said city officials are already raising questions, though.
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Date: 2007-05-28 03:45 am (UTC)Globe article this morning
Date: 2007-05-28 10:44 am (UTC)The article says that the police chase began somewhere in Everett, and ended four minutes later on Highland Road. This map is pure guesswork on my part, but it would indicate a chase speed of 45 mph or faster.
The article also says the SUV "hit the cab, which was stopped on Highland Road". This suggests a rear-end collision rather than a side impact, but again I'm just speculating.
On the Somerville News website are messages from the niece of the cab driver and the brother- or sister-in-law of a critically injured passenger. Let's hope both of them fully recover.
Re: Globe article this morning
Date: 2007-05-30 01:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-28 03:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-29 07:48 pm (UTC)http://www.boston.com/partners/worldnow/necn.html?catID=80769&clipid=1472324&autoStart=true&mute=false&continuous=true
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Date: 2007-05-30 06:51 pm (UTC)~Paul's Friend in Texas