[identity profile] wardv.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
Google has announced it is going to build a real broadband network to test ultra-high speed applications and networks. They intend to provide service to at least 50,000 and possibly up to 500,000 people. It will be a fiber to the home network with speeds over 1 gigabit/second.

That's way, way, way faster than anything commonly considered 'broadband' in the US. It's on par with speeds residential users can get in parts of the most advanced broadband nation in the world - Japan. If you like statistics and want to see how pathetic the broadband situation is in the US, the OECD has a ton of numbers on this topic.

Google is going to build this as an open access network. That means they will own the fiber but they will share access to that fiber with many ISPs. Users will be able to sign up for service with an ISP of their choice, which will then presumably handle all billling and pay Google a share of proceeds for the use of the fiber.

DSL used to be operated in a similar way in the US. That changed when our regulators and legislators rolled over and allowed incumbent telephone companies (Verizon and co) to kill off most of the companies they had to share phone lines with. The incumbents did that largely by pricing the alternative ISPs (CLECs) out of business: they charge them higher wholesale prices than what they charge their own DSL end users.

So, assuming that Google does the right thing with this new fiber (as in, does not undercut or sabotage competitor ISPs that share its fiber), and/or regulators and legislators get the guts and sense to actually enforce open access on all access networks, this announcement is really good news for broadband competition.

Getting back to the point of this post - Google's looking for state, county and city officials who want their communities to participate in this project. Google's also asking non-officials to nominate their communties.

I would love to see Somerville be part of this. If you feel the same way, please join me in nominating Somerville.

Does anyone know who would be the best person at the City to talk to about this? Getting the city of Somerville officially interested would obviously be helpful.

Date: 2010-02-11 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mark0429.livejournal.com
I submitted a nomination for Somerville today. I also emailed mayor Joe, describing the project, and explaining why I think it would be a good idea to pursue. I'm not sure how fruitful it will turn out to be, but I figured it couldn't hurt.

Date: 2010-02-11 01:48 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] perspicuity.livejournal.com
google will sniff every packet. time to encrypt ;)

the day they rollout... mankind has 24 hours. then... skynet goes online :)

that said, bring me the fiber! i want to see the light...

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Date: 2010-02-11 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feylike.livejournal.com
ENCRYPT! ENCRYPT! OK!

Date: 2010-02-11 02:11 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] perspicuity.livejournal.com
don't you love america? :)

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Date: 2010-02-11 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aki.livejournal.com
http://sky.net

Call 311

Date: 2010-02-11 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anu3bis.livejournal.com
The service is excellent.
Then ask to be put in Mayor Joe's VM.

Date: 2010-02-11 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] upsidown.livejournal.com
I submitted a nomination & called 311 as well.

Date: 2010-02-11 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Alderman Rebekah Gewirtz would be a good person to get involved in this.

Date: 2010-02-11 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tequilamckngbrd.livejournal.com
While it would be awesome, Somerville couldn't even get Verizon to setup FiOS, mainly because the city wanted them to share in the cost of public access channels and programming - and wanted to mandate that Verizon agree to provide their service to the entire city rather than just certain neighborhoods. Some type of similar bargaining agreement will probably occur with Google... but Google probably has the money to go along with it.

Date: 2010-02-11 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Google may want to set up an Internet-only network, without television. Anyone providing TV service should share in the cost of SCAT and City Cable -- it's only fair that the same rules apply to Verizon that apply to Comcast and RCN.

And yes, they should serve the whole city if they want to serve any of it. In my nomination, I mentioned the large immigrant community that may want high-bandwidth connections to their home countries.
Edited Date: 2010-02-11 02:39 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-11 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tequilamckngbrd.livejournal.com
Because everything is now digital rather than analog, the fibers that they use will most likely be capable of providing both broadband internet and digital cable. The decision to limit to just Internet-only networks would be Google's - if they just wanted to provide their bandwidth to ISP's and not to competing Cable companies.

It would make sense for Google to provide their service to the entire city in a test environment and gather useful demographic data. I also agree, it should be the whole city rather than parts of it, as I'd hate to not have a service other people in the same city receive just because of a corporate decision that it won't make as much money doing business that way.

Date: 2010-02-11 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serious-noir.livejournal.com
What is 'City Cable'? Is that a Somerville service?

As to SCAT ... uh ... maybe in a more activist/involved community, community access TV makes sense but SCAT is an embarrassment. The only thing I recall watching of any worth is that strange woman doing the monthly interview show with a weirdly wooden Mike Capuano and long ago a cooking show with a tall Asian guy. Otherwise it is really pathetic, wannabe white "hip hop" fanboyz, Scientology promos, and (for balance I guess...) the wooden woman from 'Democracy Now." A few other feeble attempts (some arts interview thing, etc.).

Community access should not be a condition (even though the costs overall are likely trivial)

Date: 2010-02-11 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
SCAT is channel 3. City Cable is run by the city on channel 16.

SCAT runs lots of different programming at different times of day -- check their schedule online. If you don't like what they show, go volunteer to help produce something else -- they are open to anyone who lives in Somerville.

(And what is a more 'activist/involved' community than Somerville?)
Edited Date: 2010-02-11 03:36 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-11 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serious-noir.livejournal.com
Well - from what I have seen on SCAT, it is mostly trash/pointless (aside from "Congressional Update" (or whatever it is called) with the weird woman interviewing a reluctant Capuano). The rest of it is a waste of time/money.

A more activist/involved community might be Cambridge (or any borough in NYC).
SCAT is a joke. Sort of negative ferment... (+ community payoff for RCN).

As to my being involved - I am busy with other things and have no interest in learning how to do mass media type stuff. Why don't YOU get involved. You would be great! I would like to see what you might come up with.

Date: 2010-02-11 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
I did produce a SCAT show many years ago about the Boynton Yards neighborhood, for SCAT's longest-running program, Dead Air Live.
Edited Date: 2010-02-11 05:18 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-11 06:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serious-noir.livejournal.com
Never saw that but they seriously need you now.

Date: 2010-02-11 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pjmorgan.livejournal.com
Greater Somerville with Joe Lynch is a great show, though its one that I almost exclusively watch online.

Come to think of it, not sure why there needs to be community TV (or any TV at all) now that we have the internet, except that I guess bandwidth needs to improve.

I saw that announcement...

Date: 2010-02-11 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serious-noir.livejournal.com
I saw that announcement and wondered about trying to get it here. While I think the "don't be evil" ethos Google claims shouldn't be taken differently than any other corporate statement ("subject to change without notice... suckers")... what the hell, why not.

Date: 2010-02-11 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sonofabish.livejournal.com
Faster pr0n now. Please. Yes.

Date: 2010-02-11 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadow.livejournal.com
Does anyone know for certain the answer to "What kind of Internet services are available where you live?"

Also, I'm curious what rationales people put for "Why should Google build a fiber to the home network where you live?"

google in somerville

Date: 2010-02-11 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soundlab1.livejournal.com
I would do cartwheels in the street if Somerville had this service

Internet services Available

Date: 2010-02-11 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vonelftinhaus.livejournal.com
I would say Dial-up,DSL,Cable Modem and yes if your lucky to find it wireless. but within Somerville I would say those are the only 3

Re: I love this city

Date: 2010-02-12 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pearlythebunny.livejournal.com
I watched the BOA meeting on TV last night. If I recall correctly, Rebekah said that there are three reasons Somerville would be a good fit for this fiber network:
1. Somerville is densely populated. Every mile of fiber would reach thousands of homes.
2. There are already data centers in the Inner Belt, so it would be easy to build out from there.
3. There are 8 rail lines running through Somerville. And, apparently, they already have fiber optic lines running along the tracks (or something like this). (This wasn't totally clear to me. Perhaps this makes it easier for Google to install it's own fiber, or maybe it meant Google could use what is already there.)

Date: 2010-02-12 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Found this on Wicked Local Somerville (Somerville Journal):

Somerville wants to try out Google internet
Mayor Joseph A. Curtatone announced today that, following the recent announcement of an ultra-high speed broadband network by Google, the City of Somerville will seek to be included in one of the selected trial areas for this broadband service.
(there's much more after that paragraph)

Date: 2010-02-12 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m00n.livejournal.com
I might even go out on a limb and say that Google should be interested in us precisely because Verizon was not.

Date: 2010-02-12 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Good idea. I mentioned that in my nomination to Google yesterday.

Google Network

Date: 2010-02-17 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scatdirector.livejournal.com
I just posted a nomination for Somerville for Google's high speed network trial. I think SCAT could get involved by helping residents create media projects for posting FAST to the Web as well as onto channel 3. It is so sad that "serious noir" can't find anything worth watching on SCAT. Thank goodness that SpikeTV exists on cable for him.

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Date: 2010-04-01 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xarquid.livejournal.com
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