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[lyonesse.livejournal.com]

at the suggestion of several commenters, i've removed my previous post.

thanks y'all, it's been enlightening.

Comments

[molyflogs.livejournal.com]

After reading the last post, the comments to it, and then seeing this post, I've decided that you're essentially an attention whore.

You do recognize that this post is exactly the same as your last one, right? You managed only to effectively delete the negative comments? You've still got a post in the same spot, in the same community, directing people to look in the exact same spot.

You're really, really bad at this.

[lyonesse.livejournal.com]

ok, i'll remove the direction.

[molyflogs.livejournal.com]

Or, you know. The whole post. Because no one gives three craps about you deleting your post, and you announcing such is nearly as stupid as your issue.

[lbmango.livejournal.com]

No, this isn't totally the same. Because this doesn't imply that the drama-post has anything to do with DS_LJ. If people want to look at the original post to see the drama, then they do that at their own risk.

I think that this is a reasonable post saying that she deleted the post herself, and it wasn't deleted by the mods.

Also, this is DS_LJ. We're *ALL* attention whores here. Why else would anyone post in a community like this?

[lyonesse.livejournal.com]

i tried to make the "read if you care" thing part of the original text, but i guess it wasn't enough to make a difference. but yeah, i wanted to make it clear that i'd done the removing.

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[ron_newman]

As one of four moderators here, I'm glad to see this second post because it tells me (and the other three mods) what happened to the first one. Otherwise, we'd all be e-mailing each other asking "did you delete it?"

[lafew.livejournal.com]

The original post wasn't relevant to DSLJ, but unfortunately you've made made it relevant. In the process of making what I assume was a legitimate complaint, you essentially encouraged everyone in Davis to think of certain other people (who spend a lot of time in Davis) as bad people.

When I commented sympathetically but pointed out that the leadership & membership of SCUL, counter to your accusation, do care about people, and did a lot of heart-wrenching and soul-searching to figure out a way to satisfy you -- you replied "I have no way to verify this claim, I had no visibility into SCUL process." Then why level the accusation in the first place?

Please don't delete this post too. I'm afraid people who only saw your first post will retain that unfair characterization.

[hahathor.livejournal.com]

FWIW, I don't know many of the folks at SCUL, and know few of them personally. The post has done nothing to alter my opinions of them. Altering my opinions of the OP is another issue altogether.

[rikchik.livejournal.com]

I don't know lyonesse or anything about the internals of SCUL, but if I was told a group did a lot of heart-wrenching and soul-searching on my behalf but ended up taking no useful or visible action, I don't think I'd care.

[pywaket.livejournal.com]

Lyonesse has told nothing but the truth. If people think less well of those in SCUL because of the way many of them behaved, and they are upset about it, maybe they should consider behaving differently the next time. This isn't the first time SCUL has done this to a former member, Lyonesse is merely the first to speak up about it and refuse to go quietly.

[lyonesse.livejournal.com]

actually, upon further consideration, i think that my experience tends to counter the claim that they "do care about people". any hand-wringing that might or might not have occurred has made no difference to my experience.

so i think my characterization, given my experience, is entirely fair. all of the pilots who i know of acting like they *did* care, i named specifically as doing so. the "pilots who count and the leadership" i can see didn't do a dang thing other than cover retard's ass, ream me out for being battered in the first place, give me the boot and dance on my grave. they did a lot and not a bit of it was nice, except for those pilots whom i mentioned, and those were given to know that their opinions didn't make any matter.

if that's your version of "caring", not-bad people, i suggest you adjust your moral vision.

[pywaket.livejournal.com]

Nobody forced you to follow the pointer and read the posting... Methinks thou doth protest too much.

[lyonesse.livejournal.com]

several people have made the useful point that this also involved informing the community of the behavior of one of its frequent inhabitants. ron_newman may not be pleased to find out this particular news, but i daresay he would admit that it's in line with the community's general commentary on its experiences with local entities.

[cn-i-crash-here.livejournal.com]

[ron_newman]

where's that Like button?

[smammy]

Thanks for this.

[403.livejournal.com]

It looks like I'm late to this party. I missed the original post, but I did piece together enough from all of the tertiary chatter to go and read Lyonesse's entry on her own journal. And now I can't figure out what everyone else is bitching about, 'cause it seems more or less reasonable to me.

If the community boundaries are this different from what's actually stated in the rules, maybe the latter need to be clarified..?

[lyonesse.livejournal.com]

at least one might hope you'd get lbmango and grimlocke saying everyone-has-issues-and-will-get-snarked-at up front :)

[sparkgrrl658.livejournal.com]

i didn't see the original post but did read what you wrote in your journal.

i think that, if they were at all similar, the issue people are grabbing at is the relationship lead in. what i believe you are trying to express is a want to forewarn people that a local group, containing local persons, doesn't act as they say they do, doesn't follow their own code, and in fact, just flat out contains some potentially dangerous jerkoffs.

i'm frankly still on the fence whether that would even still be appropriate to post, but that's not for me to decide. what i was getting at though, is that it seemed pretty clear to me this stemmed from a relationship gone bad type of issue. make no mistake, i am NOT condoning her actions or any others, i'm just saying that people (especially here) are less likely to listen at all if they think it's a romantically based issue. (i.e., if i slam a sandwich shop because my ex boyfriend works there and oh man, he was such an asshole! and his ex girlfriend sometimes goes there and she totally threw a drink at me once! people would likely tell me to STFU. that's a fictional example that isn't meant to be written as similar to your experience, i'm just pointing out that's likely how most of these people read it, given how emotionally fueled it was. in the same vein, i don't think ron's asking you not to be emotional about it, or lie to yourself about the whole thing for the sake of others or whatever, but there are just things you write a certain way to get your point across if that's really your goal, you know?)

[ron_newman]

The original post wasn't very long. I didn't save it, but it mostly just noted that the SCUL season had started and then contained a link to the OP's personal journal entry.

[lyonesse.livejournal.com]

*nods* my deleted post to dslj was very brief, devoid of emotion (and context), but did contain a pointer to my journal.

i think your phrasing is accurate and appropriate, and i wish i'd come up with that :)

[lyonesse.livejournal.com]

you might notice that lafew did not argue any of the events: i was attacked in scul space, by another scul pilot, witnessed (and pulled off me) by scul members and leader, and that the organization responded by soothing the attacker and giving me the kthnxbye. all they said was that there *might* have been internal hand-wringing, invisible to me, so i shouldn't claim that they were uncaring people. i do not grant them that point, though; i think that's one of the lamest claims to caring that i've ever seen. especially when it is essentially anonymous, though at least lafew went through the motions of creating an lj account.

i gather from older pilots that my experience was not exceptional for scul, just that my making a fuss about it is. so yes, i do see it as somewhat comparable to "a bad experience with a local business", except that it was violent crime rather than "a bad experience" of say the floor-was-slippery variety, and that scul is not a business but a cultural entity.

that isn't about my personal life. in my head (and yes, my journal) i do speculate on my attacker's motivations coming from *her* personal life. and maybe general poly-intolerance raised the ire level around here, i dunno.

but the fact remains that i wasn't in a personal relationship with the vast majority of scul, and certainly not with skunk, who wrote the final middle-management letter nailing my coffin closed. and yeah, it's been a bad experience.