[identity profile] molyflogs.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
Please, forgive me if this is out of line, and by all means, feel free to delete it or ask me to. I'm really not sure if this is appropriate or not, so I'm going for it and hoping for the best.

A couple of days ago, I posted to the community offering a few coupons and a sample of infant formula that I got in the mail, but do not want. I know and understand that breast feeding is a hot button issue with a few people, and I expected a little discussion. That's fine and good.

What I did NOT expect was four separate PMs from people essentially telling me that I am an awful person for offering to give these things to people, rather than throwing them away. Well, one of them wasn't quite so... vicious, and instead URGED me to just throw them away, but in the others, I was called everything from a "formula company shill" to an "anti-feminist" to "a person who clearly finds no value in the bond between a mother and her baby."

Come on, people. I'm nothing more than a woman who is 38 weeks pregnant, received something in the mail I thought someone else might find some value in, and thought I'd do something nice by offering to pass it on to someone who might need or want it. I really DO appreciate those of you who sent me supportive messages, offering lactation consulting or referral to such a service, should I need it. I, however, think it's pretty out of line for people to jump down my throat over what was nothing more than what I thought was a nice freebie to someone who wanted it, given that I did not have any use for it.

I'm sorry if my posting the other day offended anyone. It wasn't my intention. That said, some of the responses I received were wholly out of line, and I urge you to think about what you're actually saying to someone, in the context in which is it being said before you jump down their throats and make them feel like they're doing something wrong over something as small as some coupons.

Date: 2011-07-26 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
Well, there seems to be enough evidence about immune benefits from breastfeeding, that if someone doesn't want to bf for cosmetic or light convenience reasons, say, then some social opprobrium may be appropriate. There's a whole gradient of "is it society's business" from "what do you name the kid" to "do you seek medical care when the child is sick" to "do you even feed and clean the child".

And of course, in the recent past corporate society made it its business to push formula as a mark of Progress! and Science! where it wasn't needed, and a lot of people are still reacting to that, I think.

Of course, if all one knows is that X is using formula, one doesn't know if that's because X couldn't bf adequately, or X would lose her job by doing so, or because X thought it'd be too messy and troublesome, so people shouldn't go judging X.

Date: 2011-07-26 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intuition-ist.livejournal.com
given how much of a PITA being a parent seems to be, I say: breastfeed if you wanna, don't if you don't, and ignore the folks who give unwanted advice.

Date: 2011-07-28 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maelithil.livejournal.com
See, I support a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body. And that includes whether or not she decides to breastfeed, even if it's because of, in your opinion, "light convenience reasons". As long as the kid gets fed, she's all good.

Date: 2011-07-29 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bombardiette.livejournal.com
The advent of formula significantly decreased infant mortality rates when it was made affordable. As an adopted child, I'm grateful for it. As a mother who in spite of trying her hardest and failed to BF my own daughter, I'm grateful for it.

People like you (and worse) do make me want to kick bunnies though. It doesn't matter why someone can't or doesn't want to breastfeed. Ever. No social opporbium is appropriate when the child is nourished and well fed and cared for.

Date: 2011-07-29 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
Even if there's good evidence that the formula child is *not* as well cared for as the breast-fed one, where breast-feeding is a feasible option? Not as healthy, not as smart, longer lasting illnesses, etc.?

Date: 2011-07-29 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bombardiette.livejournal.com
You're talking to an exclusively formula fed (former) child who taught herself to read at age 2 (if my mother is to be believed); who never suffered any lasting illness outside of the common flu and occasional ear infection as a child. This was before formula was re-formulated to include the same DHA found in breast milk that's attributed to healthy brain development.

My husband, also formula fed in that same era, could have gone to MIT if he'd chosen to. He chose a different path but strangely, enjoys buying textbooks - and reading them for fun - on theoretical physics.

I'm now the mother of a child who breastfed for only a month and was exclusively formula fed after I failed, who is now just turned 3 and communicates verbally at a first grader's level; who is able to express herself artistically at that same level; who creates intricate stories and acts them out far surpassing her peers imaginative play; and who, BTW, is healthy as a horse and has been her entire short life so far.


Whatever "evidence" you're citing I would love to see as I see no daily evidence of this in our own lives or those of her formula fed friends. So, wrong argument. Try again.

Date: 2011-07-30 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
Wikipedia has the references for studies. I'm sure you know that anecdotes aren't data.

Date: 2011-07-30 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
Is it none of our damn business whether parents vaccinate their children?

The difference between bf and formula is a lot less than the difference between vaccination and not, but there does seem to be a measurable difference on a population level.

Date: 2011-08-01 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
What a totally ridiculous comparison to make. Vaccination is important because failure to vaccinate causes epidemics.
Edited Date: 2011-08-01 03:31 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-07-31 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bombardiette.livejournal.com
And I'm sure you know that Wikipedia isn't exactly the source to go to when looking for statistically significant facts.

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