Date: 2011-10-28 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
Boston, world-class city? (Y/N)

Date: 2011-10-28 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hrafn.livejournal.com
They're thoughtfully providing us the same ability to gripe about crappy public transit as all those other cities.

Date: 2011-10-29 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
I grew up with Chicago's CTA and I don't remember nearly as much to complain about...

Date: 2011-10-29 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tober.livejournal.com
Chicago is one of only two places in the US that has arguably world-class public transit (NYC is the other). Places like San Francisco and Boston are at the top of a second tier, but it's definitely a second tier.

Date: 2011-10-29 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
I'd probably place NYC in a tier by itself, along with cities like London, Paris, Tokyo, maybe Madrid. Places where the trains form an actual network, not hub-and-spoke. NYC's also the only one where trains run 24 hours, though parts of Chicago do too. Duplicate track allowing maintenance, I think. Then Chicago, then Boston/SF in different ways, yeah -- SF has a much better bus network, Boston nicer trains when they work.

Date: 2011-10-30 04:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cos
San Francisco's public transit is, IMO, crap. Which still makes it better than most US cities, but nowhere near Boston, NYC, Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago, Philly.

Date: 2011-10-30 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
what's so bad about San Francisco's Muni and Bart systems?

Date: 2011-10-30 05:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cos
BART's great if you happen to be coming from and going to some of the relatively few locations BART stops, but that leaves a *lot* out. BART has about 45 stops, whereas the T has about 145 stops in a metro area of less than half the size. You can really feel that difference.

Muni, on the other hand, is so slow and unreliable and poorly scheduled that I've been frustrated every single one of the few times I've tried to take it anywhere, and I know people in SF who bought cars specifically because they were fed up with muni.

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