[identity profile] achinhibitor.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
Paul McMorrow writes about gentrification in Union Square. He notes that with the arrival of the Green Line, it will be much more desirable to live in. This will cause an increase in demand for housing there, and that there are two choices: Allow enough additional housing to be built to prevent prices from rising insanely, or preserve its "character" (appearance) at the cost of pricing out just about everybody who already lives there.

"Desirable, inexpensive, low-density -- choose any two!"

Date: 2014-03-07 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikergeek.livejournal.com
This being the Boston area, I can guess which one they'll pick. "No new housing, anywhere, ever!"

Date: 2014-03-07 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikergeek.livejournal.com
The whole thing will be tied up in the courts so long that today's recent college grads will be old and gray by the time the things are built, and by the time the court challenges are done, they'll only have allowed something like 1/4 of the units that were originally proposed.

Date: 2014-03-07 04:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ceo
Contrary to what one might ordinarily expect, the comments are well worth reading on this one.

Date: 2014-03-08 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pixelsand.livejournal.com
Some of the comments were interesting, but to be honest I have a hard time empathizing because they are not very specific about their concerns.

" The residents are not opposed to development, but they want development that fits in with the current atmosphere of the neighborhood. "

"They want to see good development, and will continue to challenge poorly considered, arrogant proposals which ignore the concerns and goals of those who care about Union Square and fall short of the vision of this community, including that outlined in the 'Somervision' comprehensive plan."

"The bottom line is that the new zoning is terrible and should be completely redrawn or repealed by the residents of Somerville."

What does all of this mean? I get that they don't like the zoning, but from what I can tell the only thing they don't like is that it allows the area to densify and let more people live and work there. That means change, which is "out of character" for the neighborhood. Except that this is a city, and neighborhoods change. The GLX into Union has been known about for a very long time, and one of the most obvious effects of it would be more desirability, density, and urbanity. The city zoning seems to have been developed to work with and embrace this, and the residents of the area who do not want to see it change seem to be opposing it for the sake of delaying the transformation of the neighborhood into something more urban.

If these people had more specific examples about how their lives would be negatively effected by development - like for example the Crossfit gym owner who after spending a lot of money renovating the place learned his property is on a list to be taken up by eminent domain from a "master developer" - I think I'd be more willing to empathize. Without that though, it's hard not to side with the author of the article. That's not to say I think development should go ahead unchecked - these people may well have legitimate concerns, it's just that I've yet to hear any specific examples of what they might be.

Date: 2014-03-07 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somervilleguy.livejournal.com
One solution that I think is being tried in Philly is to keep the taxes for longer term residents lower. Taxes are a significant reason those on fixed incomes leave. A city is very unlikely to leave money on the table however, so it doesn't gain much traction at a city government level.

Date: 2014-03-07 09:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cos
No, Prop 2 1/2 places limits on the total *levy* - the aggregate amount the city raises in taxes for the year. It does not place restrictions on how they tax individual properties, as long as the final sum doesn't exceed the limits.

Date: 2014-03-07 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somerfriend.livejournal.com
I'm not comfortable giving tax breaks to wealthy people (at the expense of people just starting out who are moving to the area) just because they have a liquidity problem. Rent out a room, get a HELOC, move to a smaller place. Personal choice has to come into play. Also the idea of the government favoring a certain class of people over others is a little disconcerting.

Date: 2014-03-07 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somervilleguy.livejournal.com
The government favors a certain class of people all the time. Low income housing comes to mind. Do you wan to do something about gentrification or not? You will need to give some people more help than others, no way around that.

I have no problem with limiting taxes on longer term owners.

Rent out a room? How about my couch? Maybe the closet? Fuck that.

Date: 2014-03-07 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somerfriend.livejournal.com
At least with subsidized housing there is some attempt to means test it. Lower taxes depending on how long you live there gives tax breaks to wealthy people. People with large equity, and also people with equity plus other assets.

It also feels a little bit like "England for the English" Just replace England with Somerville. I'm just not comfortable with that kind of exclusive attitude. The government shouldn't be choosing who gets to live where and who is not welcome. We make our individual life choices.

Date: 2014-03-08 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somervilleguy.livejournal.com
Well I don't know how long you lived there but say it was 1980 when you moved there, you would deserve to pay less in taxes then the people that moved there after say 2000 or what ever year there that assements skyrocketed in that area. If you owned a multi family house that would be different since you could raise rents but some us don't have that option. I've lived here since 1969 and I put up with so much bullshit it would make your head spin and now I'm being rewarded with high taxes. it's not my fault I'm house rich. Yes one day my family will sell the house and make a lot of money and if you want to charge them back taxes have at it. But I put up with a Somerville that would make most people here piss down there leg and run away and now I get to reap the rewards of $3 doughnuts and yoga classes and a tax rate that just went up 20%. Oh and I don't care what you're comfortable with.

Date: 2014-03-07 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Unlike other parts of Somerville, Union Square has a fair amount of land now occupied by junkyards, auto repair garages, and parking lots. That can all be replaced by housing without tearing down any of the buildings that give the area real character.

Date: 2014-03-07 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
The article shows that selfish NIMBYs will sue over the act of building, itself.

Date: 2014-03-07 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] secretlyironic.livejournal.com
I'm always surprised by people who think that constructing more units of housing is not the answer to a shortage of housing units.

Date: 2014-03-07 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pixelsand.livejournal.com
building more housing is the answer to getting more housing. It's not necessarily the answer to more affordable prices for said housing. Density has a way of creating it's own demand - in cases like Manhattan or San Francisco demand is more or less infinite, so no matter how much you build the rent will be excessive. I don't think Boston is at that stage yet, but there is no real way to know. That said I'm always in favor of building more housing wherever possible because it allows more people to live in and enjoy and contribute to the city, which makes it a better place for everybody.

Date: 2014-03-07 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] secretlyironic.livejournal.com
Fair enough. (And that is why we have taxes and subsidies and set-asides).

Anyway: Hooray for density.

I'd love to see more moderately-priced housing being built.

Date: 2014-03-07 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmd.livejournal.com
Yeah. I really don't think Union Square - or most of Somerville, really - needs more NEW! FABULOUS! EXPENSIVE! LUXURY! CONDOS! I'd love to see more moderately priced stuff happening.

I also hope the gentrification doesn't drive out all of the smaller businesses around there that aren't retail or restaurants. We need more than retail and restaurants for our local employment base.

Date: 2014-03-07 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somerfriend.livejournal.com
Adding density can make a specific area more desirable if the additional people make the area more lively, create customers for local businesses, etc. But overall it is a matter of supply/demand, economics 101. The catch is that it can't be just Somerville increasing density, it needs to be other places too At the rate we're going it is pretty much a guarantee that restricting supply will increase increase prices.

Date: 2014-03-07 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boblothrope.livejournal.com
I think sensible up-zoning is a good idea.

But I don't like the city's plans to take large amounts of land by eminent domain, and turn it over to a single developer to build sterile uniform glass boxes.

Date: 2014-03-07 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gruene.livejournal.com
It's been "upzoned" for years. Look at the city's zoning maps, there's a special TOD zone around Union Square in anticipation of the Green Line: http://www.somervillema.gov/sites/default/files/ZoningMapColor2010-03_0.pdf

(TOD = Transit Oriented Development)

To get the definitions of the abbreviations on the map read article 6 of the Somerville Zoning Ordinance: http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=14682&stateId=21&stateName=Massachusetts
Edited Date: 2014-03-07 10:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-03-07 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
One good way to promote more housing development is to eliminate all requirements that housing developers provide parking.

Date: 2014-03-07 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intuition-ist.livejournal.com
Because we love the endless round of battles between people desperate to find parking and the Somerville DTP so much that we're willing to perpetuate it onto an unknown number of new Somerville residents?

How about tearing down all the houses that are built on 1/2 lane streets (you know the ones I mean -- barely-legal one-way roads with no parking on one side of the street and come February there's only half a lane to drive on due to indifferent snowplowing) and making that land available to developers for high-rise apartments?
Edited Date: 2014-03-07 10:02 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-03-07 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
People who rent or buy in buildings without parking (such as mine, a 48-unit apartment building from 1929) know what they are renting or buying. If there isn't enough demand for more such buildings, not many will be built. But the market can determine that better than the zoning board can.
Edited Date: 2014-03-07 10:17 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-03-07 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
"Good" meaning that the developer can either create the same number of units for less cost, or can create more units since no land or structure need be devoted to parking. The result could be less expensive condos or apartments.

Date: 2014-03-09 06:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nathanjw
(2) NIMBYs will resist units without parking less fiercely than units with parking.
Ha. Ha ha ha. Hah hah ha no. Attempting to build units with less parking causes NIMBYs to freak out about how all the new residents' cars will make the on-street parking situation worse (as seen in a small development near me, for example, when the developer tried to propose - as suggested by the city! - having only one parking space per unit). Unfortunately, even in a walk-to-mass-transit kind of neighborhood, cars are assumed.

(Now I'm wondering if the city could do something really weird, like agree that the residents of a particular building wouldn't get city parking permits, so that any cars they did own would have to be privately garaged in the city).

Date: 2014-03-07 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somerfriend.livejournal.com
Those people who are lucky enough to live in Davis Square and only in the last decade or so, may not know what it is like to live in a less desirable non gentrified neighborhood. After picking up the umpteenth Burger King bag litter from the street, hearing loud car noises go by, worrying about my family's safety etc, I started to think gentrification is an OK thing. Your outlook changes when things are no longer theoretical.

Date: 2014-03-07 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
As far as I can tell, litter is a universal problem, caused mostly by uncovered trash bins combined with wind. I see it just as much in gentrified areas as in low-income neighborhoods.

Date: 2014-03-07 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somerfriend.livejournal.com
In my experience in East Somerville, it was caused by human beings choosing to litter, and it ended when a few buildings were sold and the bad actors were "forced out" So gentrification helped us. Which is not to say that all low income people litter or have bad behavior (I don't) but there is a stronger correlation in lower income neighborhoods. If there was a way to surgically reform the bad actors, I'd be for that. But I absolutely am relieved that I don't have to spend my Saturdays anymore filling up literally 7 of those black contractor trash bags full of the litter on my street.

Date: 2014-03-08 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sjcap.livejournal.com
A few years ago, we did an informal trash barrel census on Lower Broadway and in Union Square. Not only total numbers, but also average step distance to a barrel. Basically, how far do you have to walk with that popsicle stick in your hand to drop it into a barrel? The results were staggering. I don't have all of that data at hand right now. But barrels that were steps away in Union, would be 2 blocks away on Lower Broadway. So it was somewhat of a Eureka! moment re the East Somerville trash problems. If you map it out, you will see that there are simply very few barrels to deposit trash in East Somerville relative to other districts. Alderman Roche got several added, but still a lot were held back due to the Broadway reconstruction in progress. When that is finished Lower Broadway is supposed to be on par with everywhere else.

Date: 2014-03-08 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlecitynames.livejournal.com
I'm always astonished at how few trash bins there are in Somerville in general. When I was in NYC I didn't walk more than a block without the chance to throw away my trash, but here I have to plan ahead and keep track of where the bins are.

Date: 2014-03-10 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] riverrealm.livejournal.com
e.g. "Since I'm not rich enough to go inside anywhere to eat this hyper-packaged food, and I don't have a chaffeur, I will throw all the packaging and leftover food in the gutter. But, since I'm not rich enough, my choice should be condoned, or else you're a classist who probably has a chaffeur, because that's the only way a responsible adult can avoid choosing to litter."

Or, "I don't care about the condition of my neighborhood because I'm a renter, therefore my littering should be condoned, or else you're a classist."

Date: 2014-03-10 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlecitynames.livejournal.com
I lived in NYC and even the non-business-and-tourist areas had trash cans every block or two. I remember being annoyed when I moved somewhere in Brooklyn where I had to walk four whole blocks between trash cans. In Somerville, even Broadway has very few trash cans, let alone the smaller streets. Only the squares and parks have any real presence of trash cans.
Edited Date: 2014-03-10 08:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-03-08 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freetobeme18.livejournal.com
Well the first option sounds good to me!
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Date: 2014-03-09 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aynatt.livejournal.com
Even if new housing is built, you know this new housing will be overpriced condos, taking over what was one of the few really neighborhood places left in Boston. Having the green line come in, is going to drive rents up, whether these are existing buildings or new ones being built.

It's already insanely expensive, this upcoming MBTA coming in will turn Union Square into another Davis quickly, with mom and pop stores being kicked out and Snobby overpriced Bistros settling in its place.

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