[identity profile] inkarn8.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
Does anyone know why the City would ticket Somerville's own residents for expired inspection stickers? -- Two tickets 3 days apart? If I owned a driveway, they would not have done this... Can't they stick to the spirit of protecting our residential parking spots from outsiders? How about a warning instead, or a friendly reminder? And then a few days to get a sticker...

And why do they ticket cars after the street cleaner has already passed? I don't get any of those tickets for that reason, but it seems silly to not be able to park after the cleaner has clearly already passed... Is anyone else interested in getting some of these unfriendly policies changed? Also, why do we pay an extra Internet fee to pay tickets and update parking passes for a service which clearly must save the city time and money from waiting on us in person? How does the city award the contract to an Internet company which is making so much money for so little service?

Does anyone have a list of local politicians that support these policies and another list of who would rather see changes made?

Thanks so much!

Date: 2014-09-08 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmd.livejournal.com
Does anyone know why the City would ticket Somerville's own residents for expired inspection stickers?

Because it's illegal to have an uninspected vehicle on the street. State, not city, law. I've gotten nailed by this when parked in a different city when I had an expired ticket.

Date: 2014-09-08 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keithn.livejournal.com
The city actually only started doing this in 2011:

http://www.somervillema.gov/news/city-begin-writing-parking-tickets-expired-registrations-and-inspections

The money goes straight to the city and not the state. This seems pretty transparently designed to increase city revenue, especially given this line:
The new policy was approved during the City budget deliberation process in June and the violations will cost $50.

Notice budget deliberation and not safety deliberation. I can't imagine that going down each street on September 1 looking for expired August stickers is notably increasing city safety.

The city thanks you for your contribution, inkarn8.
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Date: 2014-09-08 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmd.livejournal.com
Interesting! Since it's a state-wide infraction, I didn't realize municipalities had leeway on whether or not to enforce it.

Date: 2014-09-08 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somerfriend.livejournal.com
Methods of increasing revenue that also improve citizen behavior and the citizen has a choice to take action to avoid being cited seem like the best revenue producers there are. If they got softer, people would be less likely to comply as fast.

That said, having been ticketed twice in a 24 hour period for not having an inspection on a 1 year old car I can sympathize with you that at some point it becomes double jeopardy. And it is for some reason a psychological injury to get a ticket, we all feel that way.

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Date: 2014-09-08 10:39 pm (UTC)
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How much is the fee for paying parking tickets online, and for buying permits online?

Date: 2014-09-08 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
Consider yourself lucky you weren't ticketed for the expired sticker while driving.

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Date: 2014-09-08 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] richls.livejournal.com
Better than getting the ticket while you're driving as a moving violation... Consider yourself lucky. Not only do they ticket you and fine you, but they also make you get out of your car and have it towed, which is an extra $100 cash straight into the pocket of the tow company. It doesn't make sense that they treat you this way for a 1-day expired sticker, but speeding, texting and even plowing through red lights don't get that kind of treatment.

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Date: 2014-09-09 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrealestate.livejournal.com
It's interesting how inconsistent enforcement is, though. There have been times I've gone months past inspection without ever noticing it without any problem. And one time when my sticker expired at the end of the year and I was pulled over as part of a checkpoint in Central Square on January 2. But it was pretty obvious they were using the excuse to look for bigger bad guys so I was let off with a warning.

It was pretty embarrassing since I had clients in the car, but it would have been far worse if I'd also gotten a ticket and/or had my car towed. (The clients were very understanding.)

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Date: 2014-09-13 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grapefruiteater.livejournal.com
That's not necessarily true. I was ticketed for an expired inspection sticker while driving, and the officer just handed me the ticket and let me drive away. They didn't make me get out of the car, the car wasn't towed, and I wasn't fined above the amount of the ticket itself. This was in 2012, so it's possible that things have changed, although I'd be surprised.

Date: 2014-09-09 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intuition-ist.livejournal.com
Unless things have changed significantly from a couple years back, any approval for a curb cut requires that there be more off-street parking created than the curb cut removes from on-street parking (so, no one-car driveways). There may be other restrictions, but I don't know about those.
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Date: 2014-09-09 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] achinhibitor.livejournal.com
Somerville has been desperate to raise revenue ever since the crash. Even during good times, its tax situation is poor, because there isn't much high-value residential property and no large retail developments. It causes a lot less complaint from voters to raise fines of various sorts than to raise real-estate taxes. (And fines aren't subject to Proposition 2 rules.)

Does anyone have a list of local politicians that support these policies and another list of who would rather see changes made?

Find the city councilor for your district and complain. (And if you don't vote, why would they listen to you?)

Date: 2014-09-10 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clevernonsense.livejournal.com
This is part of why I did not buy a house in Somerville. In general, I don't really want to be a part of the city.

*sigh*

Date: 2014-09-09 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] craigindaville.livejournal.com
We all complain about getting parking tickets. No one likes them. That's pretty much a universal truth. And we all have that initial reaction of "I didn't deserve this because [fill in excuse here]" even when we know that, in all honesty, the ticket was written for a valid reason.

However, I think the pushback you're getting here is that your whole premise is based on "why can't the law not apply to me, or at least not for a few days because that's what I think is fair for me."

Think about that for a minute. Getting inspection stickers isn't really a big deal. They take 15 minutes, and can be done any day of the month leading up to the expiration date, at literally thousands of service stations throughout the state. A date that you know is coming, because it is pasted on your windshield for you to see every time you drive or even just walk by your car. So to then complain that Somerville is a horrible city for enforcing the law about making sure your inspection is up to date, something that is not sneaky and is well-known and can be dealt with for up to 31 days in advance... you can see where I'm going here.

Everyone here is suggesting that you deal with it because that's what grown adults do when they don't follow the law. They deal with it. Or should we start petitioning that the city, say, stop writing tickets for cars parked at meters that expire, because who keeps change on them anyway nowadays amirite? I mean, the city's just grubbing for money when it enforces temporary parking rules when those shouldn't even apply to Somerville residents, right?

As stated above, considering all of the BS that can be thrown at people from municipal, state, and federal governments, making this your hill to die on is very odd. And highly entitled, frankly. Not everyone gets a trophy, and not everyone gets a firm, but gentle talking-to by Mr. Police Officer Man when they break the law. Sometimes the consequences are the same for everyone, be they one of the Super Special Millenials or one of the common folk.

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Late to this.

Date: 2014-09-16 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneagain.livejournal.com
I have to agree with the OP here. We used to get reminders in the mail that we needed to deal with this; then we got tickets, and getting a second ticket (or 4 or 5 right after when the law had *just* changed) on a car still parked in the same location, with the ticket still on it, is rather offensive. It is the law that this can be done; I agree wtih the argument that it should not be, and that it targets folks who already have less resources (an off-street parking spot, to start with) than it does others. And $20 is a lot better than $50; I'm not even sure why that would be an argument except to someone who does not have money issues (see below comment about privilege). I'm glad there are people talking about this who can afford to do so, because the folks disproportionaely hit are going to have less focus to do so, and that is how it is designed--hit folks less likely to be *able* to make a fuss over it. But then I think much of what the Somerville Parking folks do is evil, even more evil than this--but I'm certainly not going to dissuade someone from speaking up against something that they think is wrong when those disproportionately hit by these sorts of things don't have as much capacity for it. And the whole "there are things more evil than this, why this" argument does not fly with me; the more rules there are out there, the harder it is to summon the energy to get at all of them, and this kind of thinking supports that maneuver. I'm glad the OP is saying something here. As for the burden of figuring out how to keep track of warnings? I think this could be dealt with if it was important; I don't think only things that make money for the city are worth the bother; there is value in having Somerville be friendlier, which is the opposite direction it has been going in this manner, and we seem to forget that the people making these decision are theoretically working for *us*, so including our values in their job descriptions does not seem strange to me.

Also, thinking it is easy to have the focus to get this dealt with before a ticket happens is a form of priveledge, particularly when poorer folks have so damned many *more* things to look out for all the time as it is. I noticed the person above siding with you said that they'd gotten a ticket, but that it was their problem; it's not hard to miss these deadlines, and to say "it's on your windshield, you have no excuse" really does not take into account the realities of many, apparently including the person above siding with you, which is why they make money on it. I agree with friendlier policies. I hate what the parking situation has become here; where I live, there amount of parking available to me did not changed when the rules became more stringent; the changes were completely for revenue and just made even more hoops to jump through to have gatherings, especially when they were impromptu (one of the oringal appeals of this part of Somerville) and thinking this is fair and reasonable when it wasn't needed is a form of brainwashed denial as far as I am concerned.

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Date: 2014-09-16 03:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] avjudge
Oneagain, I completely agree with you and am posting to say so because the loudest voices here (other than the OP) seem to have been those that say the city should grab everything from us it can and it's solely our problem if we don't (or can't) stay on top of everything.

To support what you say, I have a driveway and last summer from May through August blissfully (=ignorantly) drove around with an expired sticker - for some reason I thought I'd already had it done, until I went in for an oil change and the garage pointed it out to me (and inspected me). I have no excuse except that years go by so fast that it felt like just yesterday I'd had it inspected, and like anything you look at every day that sticker became invisible to me - so much for "it's there to remind you every day." I could do this because I'm rich - well, not actually rich, but well-off enough to own a driveway in this city. Also a 50ish white female, so cops are generally not going to profile me as anything but boring.

I've been here - not forever, but since 2006 - long enough to see the city put these parking and ticketing changes in place, and I've been reading the local papers online for that time, and the city has never tried to hide the fact that the changes were, first and foremost, a source of revenue - a "gotcha" source of revenue - not primarily in the interest of helping anyone, and certainly not in response to the desires of the population that - in theory - the government represents.
Edited Date: 2014-09-16 03:30 pm (UTC)

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