[identity profile] turil.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
Joe Curtatone, while winning the election for mayor, was voted in by less than 8% of Somerville's human population.

Exactly who is being excluded here?

Date: 2009-11-04 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_mattt/
Fair enough, but you have yet to specify who is being excluded.

Any man or woman 18 years of age or older, who is a legal resident not presently incarcerated for a felony, can vote in Massachusetts.

So who is being excluded here?

Felons in prison?
People who don't actually live here?

Re: Exactly who is being excluded here?

Date: 2009-11-04 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_mattt/
I wonder what cats would vote for in Somerville, if they were able to vote.
Edited Date: 2009-11-04 07:03 pm (UTC)

Re: Exactly who is being excluded here?

Date: 2009-11-04 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badseed1980.livejournal.com
City-wide distribution of can openers that could be worked without opposable thumbs?

Dumber mice!

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Re: Exactly who is being excluded here?

Date: 2009-11-04 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thespian.livejournal.com
My cat actually wants a complete curtailment of all social activities in the city. Things like fireworks displays and Artbeat and stuff of that nature means that I leave the damn house. He does not like it when I leave the house. Leaving the house is not something his person Should Do.

So whomever completely destroys all public social activities will get big points with the polling district of Thespian's cat.

Re: Exactly who is being excluded here?

Date: 2009-11-05 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prunesnprisms.livejournal.com
I know what mine would vote for, she'd vote for my ass getting up to give her wet food at 5:30 am. That's what she votes for EVERY DAY.

Date: 2009-11-04 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com
We prefer to be referred to as People Living with Birdism.

Date: 2009-11-05 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ukelele.livejournal.com
Nice icon for it.

Re: Exactly who is being excluded here?

Date: 2009-11-04 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
people who are birds

I don't even know what to say about this.

Look, the birds don't let us vote in their elections, and we don't let them vote in the human elections. I think it's fair.

Re: Best Comment. Evar.

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Re: Sure you can!

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Re: Sure you can!

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Re: Sure you can!

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Re: Exactly who is being excluded here?

Date: 2009-11-04 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hrafn.livejournal.com
There is no voting when bird and human societies attempt to cohabit. The birds rule. I know this from long-standing personal experience. I am their willing slave.

Re: Exactly who is being excluded here?

Date: 2009-11-04 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
That's correct: we do not allow people who have not reached an age to enter into contracts decide on the social contract of ruling us.

I think that's perfectly reasonable.

Additionally, we do not allow people who have shown that they have a low regard for the law participate in electing those who write and enforce the law - that would be like having the foxes guarding the henhouse.

Re: Exactly who is being excluded here?

Date: 2009-11-04 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrealestate.livejournal.com
I think you're confusing breaking the law with getting convicted. By your argument, many of our elected officials shouldn't be allowed to even vote. These laws also vary considerably by state -- when I lived in RI, our mayor was a convicted felon, but it was just a violent crime, not a drug offense, so I guess that makes it okay.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1553510,00.html

Felons can vote in Massachusetts

Date: 2009-11-04 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_mattt/
Only presently incarcerated felons cannot vote. A person convicted of a felony who is not incarcerated can vote.

As for people under 18, the belief is that they lack the knowledge to enter into a binding contract, and likewise, lack the knowledge to make an informed decision about voting.

Aside from the non human voting, I still fail to see who is excluded. You can't have non-residents voting in elections.

Re: Felons can vote in Massachusetts

Date: 2009-11-04 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Non-citizens (including legal ones) are excluded. A reasonable argument can be made to allow them to vote in local elections.

One person one vote

Date: 2009-11-04 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_mattt/
Let's set aside non US Citizens who would otherwise be Somerville residents.

The argument against letting non local residents vote is to prevent outside forces from interfering with local elections. Moreover, any person of legal voting age is or readily can be a resident somewhere. Either become a resident of Somerville (easy) or vote in your original location (equally easy).

Let's assume the following hypothetical: Let's say Massachusetts never legalized equal marriage. Say Somerville wanted to legalize equal marriage within the City of Somerville, and this was perfectly legal to do if a referendum passed. Can you imagine the outside wingnuts flocking to vote in our local election to overrule legitimate local vote on the matter?
Edited Date: 2009-11-04 08:48 pm (UTC)

Re: One person one vote

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Re: One person one vote

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Re: One person one vote

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Re: One person one vote

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Re: Exactly who is being excluded here?

Date: 2009-11-04 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
legal resident U.S. citizen

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