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If you're taking your adorable chocolate lab out for a stroll on the bike-path on a lovely Sunday afternoon, please protect your dog and other people using the path and keep him on a leash.
I witnessed an almost-accident at close range as the dog ambled from one side of the path to another, forcing a bicyclist to slam on his brakes and stop hard to avoid hitting him.
He doesn't know any better, he's just a dog, doing what dogs do. You, on the other hand, should.
I witnessed an almost-accident at close range as the dog ambled from one side of the path to another, forcing a bicyclist to slam on his brakes and stop hard to avoid hitting him.
He doesn't know any better, he's just a dog, doing what dogs do. You, on the other hand, should.
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Date: 2008-07-14 01:34 pm (UTC)Frankly, I'm not sure the dog owners care.
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:51 pm (UTC)I really didn't know what to make of that comment. Is it immature to expect pet owners to care enough about their pets to take basic safety precautions on their behalf? Is it immature to expect people using public areas not to unnecessarily endanger other people using those areas?
Anyway, it was quite clear that she felt no compulsion to leash her dogs. This attitude is quite common on the Minuteman. Unleashed-dog walkers routinely swear at anyone who dares hint that it's dangerous to allow their dogs free reign in high-traffic areas.
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Date: 2008-07-14 03:53 pm (UTC)Check out the Tufts fenced in area by the Powderhouse Rotary...the one with the "no dogs" signs all over it. It's a good place to find dogs, natch.
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Date: 2008-07-14 01:40 pm (UTC)I tend to get fairly annoyed at anyone who violates bike path etiquette. Many people, I feel, either ignorant or simply don't care.
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:24 pm (UTC)Both: don't care (my dog is a GOOD dog)
ignorant: the city changed the signs along the path, they no longer say that dogs MUST be on a leash - even though the law hasn't changed.
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Date: 2008-07-14 04:14 pm (UTC)This was just such at close range that I was really horrified how near-miss it was.
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Date: 2008-07-14 03:00 pm (UTC)Furthermore, the dog can't be held accountable in any meaningful way for its actions. Dogs chase stuff. It's one of the things dogs do. It's not fair to expect them NOT to chase stuff.
The owner has to be held accountable for anything that goes wrong with a dog that isn't leashed. Trouble is, that's not going to make a cyclist feel better about his/her injuries, incurred because some dog owner couldn't be bothered with a leash; nor will it make that cyclist feel better about having harmed a dog that was only doing what dogs do.
I think a lot of dog owners believe it is cruel not to let dogs run free. I guess there might even be a little merit to that idea, but there are dog parks and things in the area. There's one I ride my bike past every day, right near Union Square. If these areas are not adequate, then don't keep a dog in the city.
The cruel decision wasn't passing laws to prevent injury to dogs and the people near them. The cruel person isn't the maker of those laws, or the people who expect obedience to them. The cruel person is the dog owner who brought a dog to live in an area that s/he clearly does not believe has enough room for a dog to live in.
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:03 pm (UTC)Oh, and those leashes that expand to about 15 feet or more aren't really that useful as a restraint in an area like that. In fact, seeing those stretch across the bike path has frequently made me very nervous for any cyclists who might come through.
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:11 pm (UTC)a.) they don't hold up to any dog that pulls even a little
b.) you have NO control over your dog as you cannot retract it unless the dog comes back to you
c.) i have seen the cords cut other people/animals/etc. it is REALLY sharp and dangerous when unrolling.
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:13 pm (UTC)And they're illegal.
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:14 pm (UTC)Yes. Short leashes are fab. Expandable leashes = instant tripwires of death; I'd rather an unleashed dog than those.
If I feel like yelling at people to leash the dogs, it's NOT because I don't like dogs. It's because I DO like them.
And yeah, that too! Your dogs are cute, people. I don't want to hit them. Please aid me in my quest.
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:26 pm (UTC)I don't agree with this, but, it seems that many of the dog owners who play with their dogs near lexington park think that the city doesn't plan on enforcing ANY laws about dogs there, now.
dogs and kids and bikes and rollerblades and whatnot
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:09 pm (UTC)my experience has been that lots of owners think "but my dog is so friendly, he won't do anything wrong!" and it's like well yeah, sure, but not everyone else and everyone else's dog is like that. if that dog came bounding over to my blind elderly dog he'd probably get snapped at, and if he ran out into the road he'd probably get hit by a car.
ugh.
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LEASH YOUR DAMN DOGS, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY PEOPLE
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:18 pm (UTC)I *do* think Somerville needs more spaces where dogs can run around unleashed and play with one another...dogs want to be happy, too! But it's hard to find the space.
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:17 pm (UTC)IOW, IAWTP.
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Date: 2008-07-14 04:42 pm (UTC)so when dogs bound up to him and a lot of time they are puppies much larger than he is [a pug] and they bat him or try to play with him. luckily most times i can scoop him up in time but i have two dogs and if i'm carrying something else...well. he has snapped at a few dogs but had they been leashed and with an owner it wouldn't have happened.
it's why people to tell you to pay attention when you drive, it's not usually you they worry about, it's everyone else.
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Date: 2008-07-14 02:47 pm (UTC)I love dogs. I think they are the most wonderful animal in the world. Having volunteered with the ASPCA for three years in NYC, I can also handle most dogs. But that's not the case for everybody.
When you sit down and think about it, loose dogs in a semi-urban area pose a hazard and/or nuisance for:
- The dogs themselves
- Pedestrians
- Small children
- Cyclists
- The handicapped
- Service dogs
- Other dogs
- Even motorists
You would think that a person would consider at least one of these points, especially the fact that a loose dog is primarily a hazard to itself, but as with most things in life, stupid people ruin it for the rest of us.I doubt the perpetrators are reading LJ, and silent rants will do very little. The City (via your Alderman) should be contacted so that signage is clear.
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Date: 2008-07-14 03:21 pm (UTC)The area just down the path from Lexington Park is currently just trees and grass and has a bunch of footpaths pretty much created by dogs running back and forth.
I emailed Rebekah to suggest this and she pretty much shot me down saying that it is hard to find consensus with all the different park users and that people are very protective of the space.
Personally I think this is crap since, while the path itself is used, there are definitely areas of the path that are not really used and are wide/long enough for a fenced dog area.
I admit that I don't know if there are long-term plans for this space, but it seems as if you provide space for people to let their dogs run safely, they use it.
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Date: 2008-07-14 03:57 pm (UTC)Nunziato field.
And thank you for having your dog on a leash.
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Date: 2008-07-14 04:13 pm (UTC)There are irresponsible people out there. Some drive recklessly. Some allow their dogs to run off-leash despite a lack of proper training or a history of dangerous behavior. Some chit-chat casually while their dogs sprint in front of oncoming bikes. Determining a safe highway speed that's appropriate given current conditions, and determining when it's appropriate/inappropriate to provide Rover some off-leash time are both subjective decisions. Not all people can be trusted to make subjective decisions responsibly, so you need a law to restrict irresponsible behavior. And laws need to be worded objectively. So our society has created hard-and-fast rules that restrict the behavior of everyone -- responsible and irresponsible alike. These rules are probably overly restrictive for 90% of people 90% of the time, and they tend to be enforced very selectively.
Personally, I don't think it's justifiable or useful to scold people just because they broke a law. Save your bile for people who behave irresponsibly. And maybe introspect for a moment and ask yourself whether you ever drive 38 in a 35 zone or (for non-car-people) violate other clearly posted laws.
Here is a startling admission: I am a chronic, unrepentant off-leash dog walker and I often walk my dog near Lexington Park. There are frankly very few options for places to let a dog off-leash in somerville and my dog needs a lot of exercise. Here's my policy: I try to walk him early in the morning when the bike path is empty, and if I need to walk him at 'rush hour' I do keep him leashed. I watch carefully for bikes and joggers and keep my dog out of their way. I leash him whenever he's approaching a dog he doesn't know, out of courtesy to the owner. I pick up after him every time. I don't allow him to get too rambunctious unless he is way out of the way of bike path traffic and other people. I wouldn't even consider letting him off-leash if he wasn't well-behaved and friendly with all people. Actually, he mostly minds his own business and sniffs inanimate objects along the side of the path. I have never had a run-in where he jumped in front of a bike or otherwise behaved dangerously toward people on the path. Honestly -- if you watched me walk my dog, I think you would be hard-pressed to explain how he is posing a threat to anyone.
So please -- go ahead and call people out for being irresponsible. Even mildly irresponsible. But I don't think people should make the blanket statement that it's ALWAYS irresponsible/unethical/dangerous to allow your dog off leash in an urban environment -- all dogs, all places, at all times, all situations.
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@ nuns -- "Signs are good. Animal control officers patrolling the area and doling out tickets, and revoking dog licenses, are even better." What do you mean by "revoking dog licenses"? Are you saying that someone who's caught with a dog off-leash would have to either euthanize their pet or move from Somerville? Isn't that a little bit harsh? And aren't there more pressing items on the crime blotter? Say break-ins, rampant bike theft, etc?
@ all you cyclists -- with all this talk about slamming on the brakes, etc it might be worth pointing out that the bike path is a park, it's not a highway for bikes. As with any park, there are a lot of kids around and kids can be every bit as unpredictable as dogs. As a parent, I try to keep my toddlers away from the bike traffic, but mutual awareness is important. Most cyclists are great, but there are a few who act like they own the path and anything that causes them to slow down from 20 mph is an affront. I can definitely see how dogs sprinting out from behind a tree would be dangerous, but it's also dangerous to drive your bike so fast that accidents are only narrowly avoided.
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Date: 2008-07-14 04:35 pm (UTC)It's perfectly justifiable to scold someone who has broken a law - specifically one that applies to safeguard both animal and human safety. Your example of a 4 mile-over infraction is laughable.
If you walk your dog near Lexington Park and are looking for off-leash fun, why not go down to Nunziato, which is just about a mile away?
But I don't think people should make the blanket statement that it's ALWAYS irresponsible/unethical/dangerous to allow your dog off leash in an urban environment -- all dogs, all places, at all times, all situations.
First off, I was commenting on a specific incident - which occurred in the afternoon during high traffic - in a specific location - the bike-path, where dogs are required by law to be on a leash. Dogs on the bike path should be on-leash. If you don't agree, work to get the law changed. But by flaunting the law, you give other dog owners a bad name, and encourage other owners to ignore the law and let their dogs - possibly less well behaved than your own - off-leash.
As I've observed in other comments, I've seen plenty of other examples of poor bike path etiquette - I've seen little kids get in the way, wandering around poorly supervised, people on roller-blades going crazy-fast dart between lanes without pause, runners running the WRONG WAY and random people just standing in the path not moving. The problem isn't the dogs, the problem is people's lack of respect for the rules of use.
The rider who nearly had an accident was not going excessively fast. The dog wandered over from the other side of the road, and he stopped about two feet short - but yes, leaning hard on his brakes because the dog came from off the path from behind a tree..
I love dogs. I want to get a dog as soon as I move into my new place not far off the bike path. But I recognize that my part as a responsible dog owner is to keep the dog on-leash, and visit the dog park for happy off-leash running around.
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Date: 2008-07-14 06:13 pm (UTC)Just a thought; just because your dog is friendly/well behaved doesn't mean it won't be a trigger to someone who has been bitten or is otherwise afraid of dogs should the two meet on the path, or in other areas of the city. I feel like it's a basic courtesy to the people around you to have your dog on a leash.
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Date: 2008-07-14 08:04 pm (UTC)Thank you all for your patience.
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